IMMIGRANT

Posted by Herb7734 6 years, 8 months ago to History
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By now, we are all familiar with the problems faced by America relative to illegal immigration. But, there was a time, early in the 20th century,
when immigration was welcome and sought after, with many square miles to fill. Just about all you needed to do in order to be an immigrant was was to be healthy enough to remain vertical. If you saw the beginning of "The Godfather Part 2" you got a pretty clear picture of Ellis Island. In Poland and Russia Jews were were confined to "shtetles" ( Little States) within or nearby a city. Unless they were either professional men, land owners,or shopkeepers who dealt in necessities (butchers, bakers, food suppliers , etc.) they were so poor that many of them literally starved to death.This is about my Grandfather on my mother's side.

My Grandpa, Manus (Mike) Sherman, his wife and daughter live just outside of Lublin the 4th largest city in Poland in what we call today the Ukraine. He was a non commissioned officer in the Polish army., from which he defected at the outset of World War 1.He changed his name in order to keep from getting caught.and his passport wouldn't sound any alarms because he stole the I.D. off of a dead soldier. It's about this part where I tell you a couple apochryphal stories that circulated among immigrants.There were dozens of themand here are just two: Jews hated the army. In those days, they had good reason to. They had no loyalty to the repressive country in which they lived and they were treated even worse in the army than they were as civilians.

At Ellis Island many of the men, especially those from Germanywho were fleeing the Kaiser's conscription were loathe to give their real names, and on one day they decided to all say "Ich fergessen" (I forgot.) The closest to that in the ears of a minimally educated official, was "Ed Ferguson." That day a hundred or so Ed Fergusons passed through Ell Island. Here's another one:: Before going on permanent AWOL many would steal the wallets of the dead soldiers, not for the money, but for the I.D.Hence our new family name on my mother's side became Shermann, the second n getting dropped when Grandpa got ajob.Another great incentive was that Ford was paying $5 a dayand once the rumor was confirmedyou couldn't hold back half of Europe from immigration. $5 was a month's income in Poland.

"Mike" had a few bucks saved up from many years of manual labor so he traveled to Detroit, where he got a job in construction, building the Rackham Memorial Building, a Marble palace in the cultural center which also contained the Institute of Arts and the Main Library, also marble clad masterpieces.During this time my mother developed rickets from malnutrition so, her mom sent her to live with her parents who owned a small farm. For the first time in her young life, she was able to eat decent food and lots of fresh vegetables and eventually she grew strong but never achieved what should have been her full height.Grandpa told me that he couldn't believe his good fortune. To be able to live a life that Americans took for granted. He got hired at Ford making more money than he ever imagined.Enough to pay rent, clothes, food, and even some to save.He loved Amerca and learned English as quickly as he could so he could become a citizen. By his accent some would call him Russian(same as A.R.'s). "I can tell by your accent tht you are Russian." His back would stiffen up and he'd look the person in the eye and say, "Not Russian, American!" While he was proud to be an American , he still retained some old country habits. He drank only Corby's whiskey when indulging because it was the cheapest rotgut. He also like Slivovitz, a very potent plum brandy. It was said that after uncorking the bottle, the fumes alone would make you drunk. He loved caviar. Not that expensive blsck stuff that you daintilly put on crackers, but the orange fish eggs that you could smell 2 blocks awa when he opened the jar.And that's the difference between 1920 and 2018. Every family had its own stories of coming to America. I have just skimmed the surface. I have had the good fortune of being 1st or 2nd generation depending on which side you look at. As I was growing up, I heard various aunts uncles and, of course, parentstell me how lucky I was to be born in America.They were right.
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  • Posted by 6 years, 8 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Lady Liberty's torch does not symbolize wealth. Rather, it symbolizes opportunity. A point often missed by immigrants.
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  • Posted by 6 years, 8 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Population decline can be a good thing. Less traffic congestion, more jobs at higher pay for workers, more interest in remote control wars.
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  • Posted by 6 years, 8 months ago in reply to this comment.
    The weird thing is that they come here in order to escape the culture where they are, but want to change back to it once they get here. Only at Muslim rallies do I see "Down with freedom" signs. Is that insanity - or what?
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  • Posted by 6 years, 8 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Less legal and cumbersome? Hey Doc., we're talking about lawyers here. They'll never use one word when five will do.
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  • Posted by 6 years, 8 months ago in reply to this comment.
    One of Trump's strengths is his ability to negotiate without the use of obscure words and phrases. It seems so simple that the opponent is sucked in before he knows what has happened to him. Trump is negotiating with devious persons, but he is more devious than any of them. He is the white knight, but they don't know it because his armor is any color that will help him win.
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  • Posted by 6 years, 8 months ago in reply to this comment.
    There was a time in my youth in which I would have married a beautiful whore in preference to anyone else. Marrying is one of the most mysterious and complicated acts mankind does.But Rand nailed it. A person who considers herself a hero looks for a hero to love. Closest I ever came to understanding the why of relationships.
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  • Posted by 6 years, 8 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Generalizations are too generalized to ever be applied to humanity.That is why one reason totalitarian philosophies never work. It's like trying to live in an igloo in Ohio, eventually summer comes around.
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  • Posted by 6 years, 8 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Good way of putting it. But such a Utopia can't help but seem like a model for society. In any case, it looks as if every Eden has its serpent.
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  • Posted by 6 years, 8 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Well....
    Maybe I'm not looking far enough into the future. It is comforting to believe that rationality will eventually prevail.But, at present, I have difficulty seeing it.
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  • Posted by $ TomB666 6 years, 8 months ago in reply to this comment.
    The number 666 terrifies some people as they think it is a symbol for Satan/the devil. (I learned this from one of Heinlein's books.) Those three digits are upsetting to some people because they are so superstitious, like having a 13th floor in a building here in the US or a 17th in some European countries.
    So, if you were one of them (and you obviously are not), you'd be afraid to correspond with an Irish devil and that suits me just fine ;-)
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  • Posted by PURB 6 years, 8 months ago
    "Whoever is fortunate enough to be an American citizen came into the greatest inheritance man has ever enjoyed. He has had the benefit of every heroic and intellectual effort men have made for many thousands of years, realized at last. If Americans should now turn back, submit again to slavery, it would be a betrayal so base the human race might better perish" (Isabel Paterson: The God of the Machine). I have first edition copies, including one inscribed by IP "at the request of Ayn Rand"
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  • Posted by $ WilliamShipley 6 years, 8 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I'm not sure what straw man these "conservative trolls" represent. I can only speak for myself. Either you have no borders and anyone can come or you have a rational system of immigration that you actually follow.

    I don't think that we can practically say "y'all come", but it's a debatable position. I think our current system of it being very hard to immigrate here legally, but if you break the law you will probably get away with it is an unhealthy policy that builds an underclass and excludes people with skills that would cause them to rise "above the radar".

    As all industrialized societies are experiencing population decline, nations will compete for immigrants. I think they are neither "evil" and have no "dislike" for them. I just think we should not have a system to get bus-boys and farm workers that excludes software engineers.
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  • Posted by term2 6 years, 8 months ago in reply to this comment.
    There are plenty of raw labor people in china and other places in the far east and central america and africa. We dont need them here. We DO need people who have real skills in the economy of the USA today
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  • Posted by term2 6 years, 8 months ago
    Immigrants who want to join our society, believe in freedom, and have something they bring to the party in terms of willingness to work, skills, etc.- are WELCOME. Freeloaders, card carrying muslims, and people who want to change our country into a replice of their failed countries are NOT WELCOME
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  • Posted by $ Thoritsu 6 years, 8 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Not just Muslim immigrants. They come here for the money, and want to change our culture, rather than become a part of it.
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  • Posted by DrZarkov99 6 years, 8 months ago
    Immigrants have traditionally been "misfits," in that they were for one reason or another not favored by the ruling class in their country. The Irish side of my family were kicked out of Ireland in 1690, after Catholic loss at the Battle of the Boyne. The French were the disfavored Huguenots, who arrived in 1700. Both of these ancestors were sent to the borders of the Virginia colony by British governors, who hoped either they or the "savages" (Native tribes) would kill each other off.

    Unfortunately for the British, both the French and Irish survived, with one of my French ancestors surviving to serve in the Virginia House of Burgesses with Thomas Jefferson, Patrick Henry, and George Washington. Needless to say, both the Irish and the French elements of the family served in the ranks of the American revolutionaries, and were part of establishing the U.S.

    Actually, immigrants traditionally had to at least claim some useful skill to gain entry. The exceptions usually happened when raw labor was desperately needed. Irish were welcomed as cannon fodder during the Civil War, and when needed to build the first transcontinental railway. The Chinese were also liberally granted entry for the western railway effort, only to be almost entirely shut out after that effort was complete.

    Now that the economy is moving forward, we will need about 1.5 million legal immigrants with the right set of skills each year just to meet labor growth. A merit-based immigration policy with less cumbersome legal and fiscal requirements should make that possible.
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  • Posted by $ Snezzy 6 years, 8 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Trump uses words in a way that annoy his enemies. What he understands very well is how to manage an organization. Management involves rewarding good deeds and punishing bad ones, and in setting up a system for accomplishing that. One key principle is to reward publicly and to punish privately. He does that in surprising ways, as he did with Kim Jong Un.

    Purists have a problem with that technique. Some see Trump as lying. Instead, I think he's giving various people what they need to hear. You and I only hear the public version. Kim gets the public adoration he craves. He also gets, secretly, the admonition that we are not blowing his socks off with that "button that works."
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  • Posted by Dobrien 6 years, 8 months ago in reply to this comment.
    The United States must adopt an immigration system that serves the national interest. To restore the rule of law and secure our border, President Trump is committed to constructing a border wall and ensuring the swift removal of unlawful entrants. To protect American workers, the President supports ending chain migration, eliminating the Visa Lottery, and moving the country to a merit-based entry system. These reforms will advance the safety and prosperity of all Americans while helping new citizens assimilate and flourish. From Whitehouse.gov
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  • Posted by Dobrien 6 years, 8 months ago in reply to this comment.
    "The repeated claims that he "married an immigrant" is not an answer to criticism of his policies. ".
    No. It is a response to relentless accusations of Trump being Xenophobe along with every other phobe and ist.
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  • Posted by $ WilliamShipley 6 years, 8 months ago in reply to this comment.
    So what's the point? Is this the "hole in the wall gang"? I rather thought it was supposed to suggest ways in which people could live together.
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  • Posted by DeangalvinFL 6 years, 8 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Precisely.
    That is one of the primary points that I have been trying to get across. A generalized term shouldn't be used to disparage a large swath of humanity.
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  • Posted by 6 years, 8 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Nor was it. It is the illustration of a possibility. There are dozens of variations on the theme. Rand showed "the path less traveled" and a glimpse of possibilities unavailable in today's society.
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