IMMIGRANT

Posted by Herb7734 6 years, 8 months ago to History
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By now, we are all familiar with the problems faced by America relative to illegal immigration. But, there was a time, early in the 20th century,
when immigration was welcome and sought after, with many square miles to fill. Just about all you needed to do in order to be an immigrant was was to be healthy enough to remain vertical. If you saw the beginning of "The Godfather Part 2" you got a pretty clear picture of Ellis Island. In Poland and Russia Jews were were confined to "shtetles" ( Little States) within or nearby a city. Unless they were either professional men, land owners,or shopkeepers who dealt in necessities (butchers, bakers, food suppliers , etc.) they were so poor that many of them literally starved to death.This is about my Grandfather on my mother's side.

My Grandpa, Manus (Mike) Sherman, his wife and daughter live just outside of Lublin the 4th largest city in Poland in what we call today the Ukraine. He was a non commissioned officer in the Polish army., from which he defected at the outset of World War 1.He changed his name in order to keep from getting caught.and his passport wouldn't sound any alarms because he stole the I.D. off of a dead soldier. It's about this part where I tell you a couple apochryphal stories that circulated among immigrants.There were dozens of themand here are just two: Jews hated the army. In those days, they had good reason to. They had no loyalty to the repressive country in which they lived and they were treated even worse in the army than they were as civilians.

At Ellis Island many of the men, especially those from Germanywho were fleeing the Kaiser's conscription were loathe to give their real names, and on one day they decided to all say "Ich fergessen" (I forgot.) The closest to that in the ears of a minimally educated official, was "Ed Ferguson." That day a hundred or so Ed Fergusons passed through Ell Island. Here's another one:: Before going on permanent AWOL many would steal the wallets of the dead soldiers, not for the money, but for the I.D.Hence our new family name on my mother's side became Shermann, the second n getting dropped when Grandpa got ajob.Another great incentive was that Ford was paying $5 a dayand once the rumor was confirmedyou couldn't hold back half of Europe from immigration. $5 was a month's income in Poland.

"Mike" had a few bucks saved up from many years of manual labor so he traveled to Detroit, where he got a job in construction, building the Rackham Memorial Building, a Marble palace in the cultural center which also contained the Institute of Arts and the Main Library, also marble clad masterpieces.During this time my mother developed rickets from malnutrition so, her mom sent her to live with her parents who owned a small farm. For the first time in her young life, she was able to eat decent food and lots of fresh vegetables and eventually she grew strong but never achieved what should have been her full height.Grandpa told me that he couldn't believe his good fortune. To be able to live a life that Americans took for granted. He got hired at Ford making more money than he ever imagined.Enough to pay rent, clothes, food, and even some to save.He loved Amerca and learned English as quickly as he could so he could become a citizen. By his accent some would call him Russian(same as A.R.'s). "I can tell by your accent tht you are Russian." His back would stiffen up and he'd look the person in the eye and say, "Not Russian, American!" While he was proud to be an American , he still retained some old country habits. He drank only Corby's whiskey when indulging because it was the cheapest rotgut. He also like Slivovitz, a very potent plum brandy. It was said that after uncorking the bottle, the fumes alone would make you drunk. He loved caviar. Not that expensive blsck stuff that you daintilly put on crackers, but the orange fish eggs that you could smell 2 blocks awa when he opened the jar.And that's the difference between 1920 and 2018. Every family had its own stories of coming to America. I have just skimmed the surface. I have had the good fortune of being 1st or 2nd generation depending on which side you look at. As I was growing up, I heard various aunts uncles and, of course, parentstell me how lucky I was to be born in America.They were right.
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  • Posted by 6 years, 8 months ago in reply to this comment.
    The emphasis on jobs was needed because of all the jobs evaporated under Obama. To the owner or shareholders it is income, just as it is to the employee.The fact that a marketable product or service is now a viable enterprise is of great benefit to the owners, employees, and the public in general. This is capitalism in action.
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  • Posted by Dobrien 6 years, 8 months ago in reply to this comment.
    You are the WFA on kickass.
    This came to mind.
    How would Bernhardt Goetz fair in today's MSM?
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  • Posted by 6 years, 8 months ago in reply to this comment.
    The odds are a billion to a thousand that its we. But apparently you have never heard of the use of exaggeration for effect. In any case, we are not doing scientific research here. A metaphor or an aphorism can be used for effect.
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  • Posted by 6 years, 8 months ago
    I was posting about immigration and did not inend for this to become a symposium on religion.If I did, and we were debating, I would take the position that the entire story of Jesus (Yoshua in reality)is a fantasy made up by the Constantines in order to keep the Jews from making more trouble. They took a Jewish sect and elevated it to become the foremost part of the religion. Worked pretty good.
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  • Posted by 6 years, 8 months ago
    You're making me remember stuff I posted days ago. I'm old. I can hardly remember what I posted yesterday, sometimes what I posted in the am during the pm.However, after swallowing several prevagen (Made from jellyfish guts) I went over some past posts and if you bother to do so as well, you'll discover we are nearly identical in our postings.
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    Posted by 6 years, 8 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Lighten up. "The world will little note nor long remember" what we inscribe here. PLUS your email proves you to be prickly as a metaphor for contrarian, and of course you're having fun or you wouldn't be posting your posts.I think you just don't recognize what fun is.
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  • Posted by DeangalvinFL 6 years, 8 months ago in reply to this comment.
    You make your case well.
    Martin Luther was a totalitarian jackass like any other.
    That he argued for his Individual Right to interpret things when wanting to separate from the Pope's authority and then turns around and tells his minions that they have no Individual Right is pure hypocrisy.
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  • Posted by DeangalvinFL 6 years, 8 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Not anymore than any other group in my experience.
    Millions of Catholics have abortions or get divorced and their fellow Catholics treat them just the same.
    Sure, some freak out and get all pompous but most are not nearly as judgmental as you propose.

    Quite different from the Middle Ages.
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  • Posted by DeangalvinFL 6 years, 8 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Your first statement has a lot of truth to it.
    I was glad when the US Supreme Court struck down a lot of the draconian restrictions in Texas that were, as you describe, meant to stop by force people from getting an abortion.
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  • Posted by DeangalvinFL 6 years, 8 months ago in reply to this comment.
    It is not my instruction or recommendation.

    It is given as an example of an emphasis on the individual - "love yourself" and then from that starting point "love your neighbor as you love yourself". Not that you must love your neighbor no matter what, but rather, make up your own mind based on your individual viewpoint. Sounds pretty damn close to Value for Value.

    This in response to a number of comments pontifically stating that Christianity has nothing to do with respect for the individual. All or nothing statements rarely are wise.
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  • Posted by $ Thoritsu 6 years, 8 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Like you said, there was a time when religion constituted law, and provided basic rules for civilization. For a long time, it has been the same self-locking ice cream cone as government. It is an institution founded in ignorance which no longer has a purpose, existing to preserve its own power and influence.
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  • Posted by ewv 6 years, 8 months ago in reply to this comment.
    A badge of honor and a source of pride in creation of value.

    Others don't exactly hate it, but see it as an entitlement to be paid for showing up (except for "family leave") whether or not there is a connection between what they do and what they are paid. Most of the "jobs" rhetoric in politics now is based on the false premise that businesses and profits are justified supposedly only if they "provide jobs". That was a major theme of the Fabian Socialists, has been taken over and spouted with self-righteous demagoguery by Democrats, and is pandered to by Republicans. "Providing jobs" is one of the loud Trump themes while ignoring productivity and the rights of business owners.
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  • Posted by ewv 6 years, 8 months ago in reply to this comment.
    -- and the "persuasion" of threats of eternal fire and brimstone.
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  • Posted by ewv 6 years, 8 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Whether or not mankind ever answers any particular outstanding question, there is an enormous difference in psychology between someone who finds in curiosity a mystery to be fascinating and to be understood versus the mentality that wallows in and relishes the "mysterious" as beyond human comprehension on principle and likes the feeling of that mental state.
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  • Posted by ewv 6 years, 8 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Preventing others, by force, from getting one is exactly what they want.

    For themselves only, it would be "ok" only politically, in the sense that they have a political right to not do it, but it is not "ok" in any other way. Accepting a duty to deny one's own happiness and accepting dogma in place of reason are not "ok"; they are self destructive.

    No belief is "dependent upon on any secular court for support or approval"; everything you believe to be true is a personal decision. Only your own mind can choose whether or not accept or reject a personal belief. But a religious belief is based on faith, whether or not following authoritarian dictates of duty; and faith versus "dependent upon on any secular court for support or approval" is a false alternative: it leaves out reason. That is not "ok".
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  • Posted by ewv 6 years, 8 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Not only is it not a principle for what to do, it destructively divorces value from goals, which is its purpose. In particular it debases the concept of "love" by making no distinction between that which is worthy of it and anything at large called a "neighbor", while it saps your life of effort misdirected away from your own values, which is also its purpose.
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  • Posted by ewv 6 years, 8 months ago in reply to this comment.
    All there is is the symbol, but the intended meaning of the "teachings" is much more than adoring a symbol: they are grasping for the impossibility of talking about a contradictory, subjective supernatural as if it exists, falling prostrate in self-effacing adoration of the fantasy. The irrationalism doesn't only adore a symbol, they mean it, however incoherently. What is left when it is examined objectively is the prostrate self-effacement and the symbol. One result here on earth is the rationalization of what you site as the "adoration of the unworthiness of the individual who in every case is illustrated to be sacrificed to the 'needs' of others".
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  • Posted by ewv 6 years, 8 months ago in reply to this comment.
    The distinction between individualism and having a job is not a distortion of their different meanings. Equating them is.
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  • Posted by ewv 6 years, 8 months ago in reply to this comment.
    It is not the same argument. Religionists ignore the right of a woman to not bear a child as they promote a mystical soul with a "right" to be born. The right of immigration is the right of any individual to move around on the physical earth in order to live. That we are fortunate that Ayn Rand was able to come here, not just for her own life, but for the benefits to us, is simply a fact. So is how denial of the rights of individuals prevents their productivity in addition to their own right to life. We are talking about real persons, not cells with a potential to perhaps become a person. The principle of acknowledging the rights of the individual has nothing in common with demands for an alleged duty to produce a baby.
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  • Posted by ewv 6 years, 8 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Trump idolatry and wishful thinking are not to be taken lightly, and rejecting it does not make one "prickly". No, this is not "fun".
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