IMMIGRANT

Posted by Herb7734 6 years, 8 months ago to History
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By now, we are all familiar with the problems faced by America relative to illegal immigration. But, there was a time, early in the 20th century,
when immigration was welcome and sought after, with many square miles to fill. Just about all you needed to do in order to be an immigrant was was to be healthy enough to remain vertical. If you saw the beginning of "The Godfather Part 2" you got a pretty clear picture of Ellis Island. In Poland and Russia Jews were were confined to "shtetles" ( Little States) within or nearby a city. Unless they were either professional men, land owners,or shopkeepers who dealt in necessities (butchers, bakers, food suppliers , etc.) they were so poor that many of them literally starved to death.This is about my Grandfather on my mother's side.

My Grandpa, Manus (Mike) Sherman, his wife and daughter live just outside of Lublin the 4th largest city in Poland in what we call today the Ukraine. He was a non commissioned officer in the Polish army., from which he defected at the outset of World War 1.He changed his name in order to keep from getting caught.and his passport wouldn't sound any alarms because he stole the I.D. off of a dead soldier. It's about this part where I tell you a couple apochryphal stories that circulated among immigrants.There were dozens of themand here are just two: Jews hated the army. In those days, they had good reason to. They had no loyalty to the repressive country in which they lived and they were treated even worse in the army than they were as civilians.

At Ellis Island many of the men, especially those from Germanywho were fleeing the Kaiser's conscription were loathe to give their real names, and on one day they decided to all say "Ich fergessen" (I forgot.) The closest to that in the ears of a minimally educated official, was "Ed Ferguson." That day a hundred or so Ed Fergusons passed through Ell Island. Here's another one:: Before going on permanent AWOL many would steal the wallets of the dead soldiers, not for the money, but for the I.D.Hence our new family name on my mother's side became Shermann, the second n getting dropped when Grandpa got ajob.Another great incentive was that Ford was paying $5 a dayand once the rumor was confirmedyou couldn't hold back half of Europe from immigration. $5 was a month's income in Poland.

"Mike" had a few bucks saved up from many years of manual labor so he traveled to Detroit, where he got a job in construction, building the Rackham Memorial Building, a Marble palace in the cultural center which also contained the Institute of Arts and the Main Library, also marble clad masterpieces.During this time my mother developed rickets from malnutrition so, her mom sent her to live with her parents who owned a small farm. For the first time in her young life, she was able to eat decent food and lots of fresh vegetables and eventually she grew strong but never achieved what should have been her full height.Grandpa told me that he couldn't believe his good fortune. To be able to live a life that Americans took for granted. He got hired at Ford making more money than he ever imagined.Enough to pay rent, clothes, food, and even some to save.He loved Amerca and learned English as quickly as he could so he could become a citizen. By his accent some would call him Russian(same as A.R.'s). "I can tell by your accent tht you are Russian." His back would stiffen up and he'd look the person in the eye and say, "Not Russian, American!" While he was proud to be an American , he still retained some old country habits. He drank only Corby's whiskey when indulging because it was the cheapest rotgut. He also like Slivovitz, a very potent plum brandy. It was said that after uncorking the bottle, the fumes alone would make you drunk. He loved caviar. Not that expensive blsck stuff that you daintilly put on crackers, but the orange fish eggs that you could smell 2 blocks awa when he opened the jar.And that's the difference between 1920 and 2018. Every family had its own stories of coming to America. I have just skimmed the surface. I have had the good fortune of being 1st or 2nd generation depending on which side you look at. As I was growing up, I heard various aunts uncles and, of course, parentstell me how lucky I was to be born in America.They were right.
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  • Posted by 6 years, 8 months ago in reply to this comment.
    For over 100 years it was exactly the other way around. We find the flaws in a sort of "can you top this?" marathon. But you'll never become an olympic swimmer until you learn to jump into the deep end of the pool.
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  • Posted by 6 years, 8 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Based on what seems like hundreds of replies, we have discovered the flaw, and it is noteworthy that it is in the nature of humans or the Krell, or you name even the wisest, most creative people extant, and still, there will be a rotten grape in every bunch.And if left to their own devices, soon all are infected.
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  • Posted by 6 years, 8 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Since Galt was able to personally select the residents of the Gulch, his task was easier. And there lies the flaw. There are no guarantees as to the depth of understanding and devotion to freedom and rationality. That may even be true of Galt himself..
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  • Posted by 6 years, 8 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Problem: How can one detect a nefarious person who is intelligent and resourceful? Very difficult, possibly impossible.There are no tests on earth that can prove one way or another as to the rationality and lack of greed of a human being in his relationships to other humans. Perfection is unavailable. Only one can get as close to it as possible.
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  • Posted by 6 years, 8 months ago in reply to this comment.
    A single landowner to start should work, with the proviso that at a time certain, parcels would be sold to the highest bidder.
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  • Posted by 6 years, 8 months ago in reply to this comment.
    For years the Swiss were considered impregnable because of their mountainous terrain. Today, that is questionable, but the Gulch would require some sort of invulnerability which is why I propose an island.
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  • Posted by ewv 6 years, 8 months ago in reply to this comment.
    It was not intended to be a model for society. It consisted of carefully selected individuals.
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  • Posted by ewv 6 years, 8 months ago in reply to this comment.
    "Conservative", like "liberal" is an imprecise term. Mark Levin is trying to gain acceptance for his own version and is often openly hostile to Rand Paul.
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  • Posted by 6 years, 8 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Trump understands individual rights. His weakness is his "all-in" mentality and goal orientation. Anything obstructing his run to the goal will be cast aside, knocked down or blown up to the extent that he has the wherewithall to do it. And that is what the purists and the Trump haters seize upon. It is his strength and his weakness.Among the libs there is no question of any moral consideration. Good or bad, all that counts for them, is win.
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  • Posted by ewv 6 years, 8 months ago in reply to this comment.
    That is not a reason for Ayn Rand's ideas not to prevail. Christian dominance was overthrown by the Enlightenment, but it took many centuries.
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  • Posted by CircuitGuy 6 years, 8 months ago in reply to this comment.
    "If you consider it as a model of a society, then it is feudal."
    Thank you for this interesting discussion. I wanted to interject that I did not read the Gulch or anything else in AS as a model of a society. It was all unhealthy things that come from collectivism. I see the Gulch as a fascinating idea. I think about it when looking down from planes flying over mountainous regions. But I do not think it was a model for society.
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  • Posted by DeangalvinFL 6 years, 8 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Unionists and Conservatives are not normally lumped together.
    The Unionists calls for "protecting jobs" is faulty Economics and usually refers to tariff policy rather than immigration. I agree "protecting jobs" is counter to any logical Objectivist viewpoint.
    And "all over the conservative movement" is an example of broad generalization statements that I find faulty. They are not all the same, especially about ignorant calls for protecting jobs. For example, Rand Paul is quite different than other "Conservatives".
    I encourage you to watch Dinesh D'Souza's call out of fraudulent people claiming to be the "Right" or "Conservative" when they are anything but:
    https://www.dineshdsouza.com/films/de...
    This clarified a number of things for me. One being that all Conservatives are most certainly not the same. Some, Richard Spencer for example, are Fascist Leftists or wolves in sheep's clothing. But watch the movie and decide for yourself.
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  • Posted by 6 years, 8 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Yes, and he hates Jews, yet his daughter married one and an Orthodox one at that (The strictest form of Judaism).
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  • Posted by 6 years, 8 months ago in reply to this comment.
    It is the same reason that Objectivism will never be the foundation of the laws of the land.The The reliance upon the "heart" rather than the brain is so ingrained going back to ancient fairy tales and a foundation stone of every religion that rationality takes a back seat.
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  • Posted by ewv 6 years, 8 months ago in reply to this comment.
    The current immigration laws include discrimination against Europeans to favor 'Latinos'. That is in addition to the random 'lottery' and 'anchor-baby-bring-the-whole-family-no-matter-what' irrationalism.

    Protectionism is already in place with restrictive conditions and quotas on H1B visas, and conservatives are clamoring for more restrictions. That is part of the anti-immigration mentality.
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  • Posted by 6 years, 8 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Legal immigration is part of the Capitalist blueprint.
    It promotes competition.Competition is good and as the old saying goes, "the cream always rises to the top." We all know that all immigration is not good. There's lots of trash seeking to come in, and an orderly, well vetted system put in place is certainly needed, but killed by libs and Trump is right, we need fewer libs because for whatever reason they are so partisan as to vote against their own self interest.
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  • Posted by 6 years, 8 months ago in reply to this comment.
    You get downvoted, I upvote you, but you should be a ++. But the numbers count doesn't matter, only the content does.
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  • Posted by ewv 6 years, 8 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Calls for protectionist immigration policy are all over the conservative movement. Every time they moan about "protecting jobs" from being "taken" that is what they are doing.
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