Politics According To Krauthammer

Posted by Herb7734 6 years, 8 months ago to Politics
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I just finished Charles Krauthammer's last book, "Things That Matter." It is so brillian that I literally found over 100 topics to discuss in this forum. But I won't. At the very start of the book he makes the point that no matter how much effort he puts into writing about science,medicine, art, poetry,architecture, chess, space, sports, numbers, in the end they must "bow to the sovereignty of politics."In trying to move the spectre of politics off the table he got into the Voyager probes and whose voice narrated but Kurt Waldheim, a former NAZI. It prompted me to ask the Gulch one simple but extremely profound question: What one thing would you send on Voyager 1 and/or 2? Krauthammer finally winds up saying what biologist and philosopher Lewis Thomas proposed as evidence of human achievement ;the Complete works of Bach.(Personally, I would have chosen Beethoven). So, am asking this forum, if you were allowed to send only one item on Voyager 1 or 2, what would it be? Remember you are representing all of earth from fauna to flora, from philosophy to nonsense, from math to quantum. Just one thing. Music? Science? words? go for it.


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  • Posted by EgoPriest 6 years, 6 months ago in reply to this comment.
    What evah eww!! I'm still waiting for your contribution. (Shall I wait in vain?)
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  • Posted by ewv 6 years, 6 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Persistent Bible thumping is not rational discussion and not the purpose of this forum. Stating that is not "harsh, druidic denunciation".
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  • Posted by EgoPriest 6 years, 6 months ago in reply to this comment.
    It makes no difference to me personally whether he's been here 40 days or 40 years.

    I'll respect the benefit of the "doubt" policy (if not grant principled respect to the doubter). I {tew} have no time to waste on mysticism, but no topic is outside the scope of the true revolutionary's purview and if taking Galt's (entire) Oath is not the threshold for admittance (as witness all the "push-back") then I don't know what in principle can be, and I'll grant any honest "truth-seeker" an audience.

    You'll notice I recommended the Valliant book "How Roman Emperors Invented Christianity" to him (assuming he ever shows his face here again after your harsh, druidic denunciation.) I adhere to the principle of rational engagement, but only on the assumption that I'm dealing with psychologically, if not intellectually honest minds.

    And I only denounce it when instead of moderating, or changing course, it doubles down. Catch my drift?

    For Galt's Sake, I will follow Ayn Rand's example as related in Facets of Ayn Rand by her close friend Mary-Ann Sures and Chales: [which I'm having a hard time finding in the clutter, unfortunately, but you might be familiar with the genuinely cordial relationship she had with her devoutly religious maid}.

    There was none of this modern (or post-modern friction), this "fortress-mentality" in her inner-sanctum, her home. And it isn't necessary, there is no necessary conflict or obstacle to an honestly passionate valuer uncompromising in his insistence on reason and for liberty.

    I'll look for the book. Keep swinging my legalistic rival for glory!! B^)
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  • Posted by ewv 6 years, 6 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Bassboat has been here for over four years. The inappropriateness of promoting religion on this forum has been discussed many times previously. I am not "malevolent".
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  • Posted by 6 years, 6 months ago in reply to this comment.
    This is a perfect illustration of the unreality of the predetermined nature of the socialist attitude..
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  • Posted by 6 years, 6 months ago in reply to this comment.
    When Stephen King was asked why he chose to write horror novels, he came up with one of the best answers anyone ever said to a stupid question."What makes you think I have a choice?"
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  • Posted by 6 years, 6 months ago in reply to this comment.
    If, like ours, their bible is based on mysticism, I'm afraid we won't learn much.I think it's more likely to find instruction books on their craft wich could tell us about their scientific, not to mention their social behavior.I think that there may well be some explanation to the universe that may have non mystical insights into its origin other than the silliness of the Big Bang.
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  • Posted by 6 years, 6 months ago
    I knew a psychologist whose wife was also a psychologist who was a good friend of Branden's.As a result I got to know him quite well and I was quite amused at the break-up between Rand and Branden. For two of the most rational people I ever knew, the break-up was caused for the silliest, make that dumbest of reasons. Of course, being a guy married to the same woman from my youth to my dotage, (64 years) I question the sincerity of their emotions.
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  • Posted by EgoPriest 6 years, 6 months ago in reply to this comment.
    That's another topic I'd love to discuss with you if given the opportunity. B^)
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  • Posted by 6 years, 6 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I am a former musician and studied musicology in college. Now that I'm very old I am less active, but obviously, music is my passion, but I made my living in Photography. I Spent a year traveling with a big band as a trombonist, but didn't like living out of a suitcase.
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  • Posted by 6 years, 6 months ago in reply to this comment.
    We used to call Peikoff "Old Smoky" because of his cigarette habit. (not to his face, of course.)
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  • Posted by Solver 6 years, 6 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Imagine an object crashing to earth with an alien Bible buried very deep within it. Imagine all the things we could learn about their religious beliefs and their God(s). After translating their language, what would we really be able to deduce about this alien culture?
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  • Posted by EgoPriest 6 years, 6 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I am interested in the (very lengthy) novel, but the consequences of "the 'Christophe' premise," as Ayn Rand called it in relation to Nathaniel Branden, "were dreadful."

    According to James Valliant, in the book I mentioned elsewhere, "A major theme of Jean-Christophe is Rolland's belief in the semi-tragic and 'selfless' perseverance required of an artist, what Rand would call a 'malevolent universe' premise." (Not "Golden Braid" material).

    Makes me think of Malcolm Arnold Symphonies or Depeche Mode (both of which I love despite their romantic darkness). But these days I'm more drawn to Nino Rota and Duran Duran.

    After immersing myself in WWII and the Holocaust (reading such books as If this Be Man, The Painted Bird, and Ordinary Men at SDSU (while simultaneously immersed in my post-modern Linguistics major: mind-scrambling Semantics), I completely turned away from Objectivism (and all philosophy) and dived into the stories and novels of Hermann Hesse (which I read in order), then I read Never Let Me Go and was "inexplicably" depressed for over five years (too depressed to function, actually).

    I began to slowly emerge from that unending malaise when The DIM Hypothesis and How We Know were published, but it took me until I devised my own "gestalt" to recover my senses completely (I write about it in my recent "Golden Braid..." post).

    I might not rush out right away to re-immerse myself in a "world" that created so much ambiguity in my mind at its most psychologically vulnerable. But I am master of my mind once more and might even read the other book associated with Branden's malaise: Darkness at Noon (which I'd always meant to read).
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  • Posted by EgoPriest 6 years, 6 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Thank you for mentioning that book.

    My personal passion before or even "beyond" Objectivism has always been music: the ultimate mnemonic (especially classical, or what I call philosophically-original, music).

    Music is the most metaphysical of the arts because it gives form to the axioms themselves, directly without intermediary entities required.

    When listening to music I think about how it expresses a grasp (or rejection) of existence, consciousness and/or identity.
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  • Posted by EgoPriest 6 years, 6 months ago in reply to this comment.
    A very close friend of mine wrote another book you might like: "The Passion of Ayn Rand's Critics: The Case Against the Brandens."

    This very real friend of mine engraved my copy of his book: "Jae -- For a true brother -- a second self . . . Yours -- Always -- Jim Valliant, 5-31-2017"

    It was he who finally woke me up. I also have a transcript of a video (VHS) interview he conducted with Dr. Leonard Peikoff in 1995. I will love it if ARI ever releases it (e.g., on Youtube).
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  • Posted by 6 years, 6 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Get a copy of Jean Christophe by Romain Roland. It is sort of a European version of The Fountainhead. Not as good, but an interesting take with music as the art involved.
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  • Posted by 6 years, 6 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I have all 4 of her novels, her play and all of the Objectivist Newsletters and Objectivist booklets, as well as all the polemics, and the books written by the Brandens as well as two biographies.I was far more enthusiastic when I was a good deal younger.
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  • Posted by EgoPriest 6 years, 6 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Ayn Rand would never have been so malevolent toward a possible ally. It's obvious that not everyone is here to represent (or misrepresent) our(?) clearly defined philosophy. Be a mentor, not a dementor.
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  • Posted by EgoPriest 6 years, 6 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Yes, allegorically, as mentioned in Galt's Speech in Atlas Shrugged, God assigned Adam (the man) the role of Identifier when he commanded him to name all the living creatures (later Noah collects them into a floating laboratory) -- implying perhaps that Eve (woman) was best suited for naming the plants and other natural phenomena.

    It doesn't matter, but I do think The Mahabharata, Ramayana, Pentateuch, lliad, Odyssey, Aeneid, Orlando Furioso, Gibran's The Prophet, or (my definite preference) Atlas Shrugged all speak profoundly to the human condition.

    Most comprehensively, Sir Simon Fraser's "The Golden Bough" would give the "alien archeologists" probably the best overall view of the human condition before (or beyond) Aristotle and, what I call, History's "Golden Braid": Aristotle, Thomas Aquinas, Ayn Rand and...?

    [PS - Please ignore the haters uninterested in advancing anything. They speak for nothing and no-one but to their obviously questionable motives in "pushing back."]
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  • Posted by EgoPriest 6 years, 6 months ago
    The complete works of Ayn Rand beginning with Atlas Shrugged and Introduction to Objectivist Epistemology, "the rest follow from these."

    I would not, as a rational egoist, have the least interest in "representing all of earth," but only man at his finest.

    If I can't have both the books sent, I guess I'd have to choose Atlas Shrugged and hope they have someone ingenious enough to deduce the Epistemology of John Galt (the DNA of his Speech, as it were).
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  • Posted by ewv 6 years, 7 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Yes, to rationalize the Bible as an allegory is improper. Some of the stories within it are allegories but overall it is mythology intended to be taken as the truth. Devotion to the supernatural, supernatural causes, faith, and duty were not metaphors for something else. They meant it. Many invalid concepts were promoted using metaphorical thinking because that was the only way to put them over, but they meant the mysticism. They are not insightful or enlightening. The contradictions became so intellectually embarrassing that the promoters had to try to have it both ways by recasting them as allegories, which resulted in theological debates within religion over how "literally" to take Bible. It is not "ignorant" to reject it.

    It isn't a source of history at all (not "maybe better than 50%") since you never know what might have been true, even when confined to earthly accounts that may be, without checking more objective evidence. As science, it simply isn't, not just worse than 50%. Sacred text and appeals to the supernatural are the opposite of science.
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  • Posted by ewv 6 years, 7 months ago in reply to this comment.
    My discussion involved three posts. Bassboat misused the mythology as if it were history to promote religious beliefs, which has no place here. In your post you called the Bible an artifact, then went beyond that to say there is "actually quite a bit in there that is in alignment with Objectivist thinking" and that it is "filled with poetic, insightful and enlightening messages", which aren't true, and to assert that "[S]aying that the Bible is all bad seems an ignorant position to take" and "Having a knee-jerk reaction to anyone using the Bible as a way to explain a philosophical or historical viewpoint is also ignorant". As an artifact revealing the nature of primitive beliefs at an historical time, and to identify the original source of destructive ideas that have had a huge impact, the Bible is valuable evidence; it is not valuable as a guide to or explanation of human life with enlightening messages compatible with Objectivism or otherwise, which contemporary interpretation is not the role of an artifact, and rejecting that is not ignorant. An artifact is all it is good for.

    Also The Fountainhead and Atlas Shrugged are serious, integrated philosophical novels, not "teaching tool allegories" "ALSO" like the Bible. Most works of fiction are not allegories (and neither was the Bible).
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