Brown (Moonbeam) signs carbon free bill by 2045

Posted by exceller 6 years, 7 months ago to Politics
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He said before signing it that he won't do it b/c the infrastructure is not ready for it. But apparently he changed his mind. The only question is: where will the power come from which is needed to "Plug cars" into?

At this point he probably does not care. He is leaving soon and he wanted this to be his legacy, next to the high speed train. The left are legacy minded like Hussein. Never mind that legacy is pushing many people into poverty.


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  • Posted by term2 6 years, 7 months ago in reply to this comment.
    you are assuming that global warming is in fact totally due to the use of fossil fuels. Since global warming has happened many times in the past, it is very likely its caused mainly by forces outside our control, and no matter what we do, its not going away.
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  • Posted by term2 6 years, 7 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I wonder who is going to pay for all these batteries. Car batteries are about $80 for VERY limited storage needed just to start the engine. Lets be generous and say that for the $80 you get 80 amp hours at 12 volts. Thats about 1 kw hr. Pretty much nothing compared with what a house uses. I would estimate my usage at 2000 watts average for 24 hours, or 48 kwhr. That would be a lot of batteries even if the solar took the load for half a day EVERY day.
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  • Posted by term2 6 years, 7 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I agree. California wont be afloat in 2045 for many reasons, probably not this one.
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  • Posted by term2 6 years, 7 months ago
    I wont be around for that, but I suspect California will be BK by then anyway, following the lead of Venezuela.
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  • Posted by bsmith51 6 years, 7 months ago
    No sacrifice by the people is too great to bear when made for the legacy of Dear Leader.
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  • Posted by DrZarkov99 6 years, 7 months ago
    What's pathetic about this is that all the California reusable energy efforts have stalled, while oil and gas rich Oklahoma just passed 40% of state energy sources from wind and solar, with more underway. If it wasn't so difficult to get right of way for high power lines, the Okies would be providing power from renewable sources to the Tennessee Valley Authority. All that without demonizing and trying to destroy coal, oil, or gas.
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  • Posted by $ blarman 6 years, 7 months ago
    So we should look for "Escape from Los Angeles" to become a reality show in about 20 years, then?
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  • Posted by Dobrien 6 years, 7 months ago in reply to this comment.
    That's one of many reasons why Trump nixed the Paris Accord. The nation and Kalifornia would be better off if Moonbeam would take a tumor pill like no name did.
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  • Posted by Lucky 6 years, 7 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Yes, China will be the biggest maker of batteries.
    But, like wind generators, they have the sense not to use those contraptions themselves but sell them to the rest of us helping to weaken our economies.
    China has 300 up-to-date technology coal power stations under construction. They have twenty-one nuclear reactors under construction, thirty-eight more are planned.
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  • Posted by $ allosaur 6 years, 7 months ago
    Once again, Kalifornia shoots a torpedo beneath its own waterline.
    Me dino bets that by 2045 that whole silly libtarded state goes under without having "The Big One" to blame.
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  • Posted by $ WilliamShipley 6 years, 7 months ago in reply to this comment.
    And, of course, the fact that the same people who are saying that global warming is a crisis to the planet are also demanding that nuclear power plants be shut down is a clear indication of the actual goals.
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  • Posted by $ WilliamShipley 6 years, 7 months ago in reply to this comment.
    You can't draw a direct causal line between global warming and the flooding because global warming is a prediction for the FUTURE. It hasn't happened yet. If the numbers are correct (and they are suspect) it is just over 1 degree warmer than it was 100 years ago. The concern is about several degrees in the next century.

    People pointing to current events and saying "See, it's global warming" are demonstrating that it's just a political ploy.

    Of course all these temperature numbers have been heavily massaged to from the raw readings so I don't entirely trust them.
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  • Posted by 6 years, 7 months ago in reply to this comment.
    "global warming is a very real signal hidden under the Gaussian noise, and we know it's mostly (not sure exactly how much) caused by human activities"

    Really? And just how do you know that? Global warming is one thing (it happened several times during the history of the Earth), but man-made global warming? It has been disproved scientifically. Do you have any evidence to the contrary?
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    Posted by CircuitGuy 6 years, 7 months ago
    This is one of the most important threats of our time, so I'm glad people are addressing it. It's a threat because because it's away people are trashing others' property with their mess, and it's hard to trace the costs the person who made the mess. It's unfortunately not as simple as me dumping some chemical that fouls up my neighbor's property. So I admire anyone taking any action.

    But the real solution will come from entrepreneurs when there's a structure to make people pay for their mess. I make the mess without paying when I heat my home, and I pay for the mess when after historic flooding Madison property insurance rates rose 30%. And even now, I cannot draw a direct causal line between global warming and the flooding. It's a signal with loads of Gaussian noise on it. It's very hard to pull out. I cannot attribute any outlier day or weather event, but we know global warming is a very real signal hidden under the Gaussian noise, and we know it's mostly (not sure exactly how much) caused by human activities. I think we're fools to wait to address it. It's as if there were a bunch of small asteroids on a probably collision course with Earth, yet we still engage in denial and wishful thinking. We rightly say global warming and the Holocene mass extinction event can't kill us all. That's right. But it can cost our heirs a bunch of value, as surly as estate taxes. So I'm grateful for people who will do anything, even if it's not the most efficient approach, to deal with greenhouse gasses and the global warming they will cause.
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  • Posted by Dobrien 6 years, 7 months ago
    This can't happen without becoming dependent on China. Just like Google ,the Clintons ,Biden's and Kerry along with Feinstien ,and moonbeam they are selling out to China.
    California would need to install more than 200 times as much energy-storage capacity than it has now to make up for the loss of gas plants, according to the Clean Air Task Force, a Boston-based energy-policy nonprofit.
    China leads the world in the development of battery gigafactories, which are expected to reduce battery storage costs through increasing economies of scale (Figure 15). As of 2018, 25 large battery factories are active worldwide, and 36 are in development. By 2023, China is expected to have 52 percent of worldwide lithium-ion battery capacity, with Europe at 17 percent, the rest of Asia at 17 percent, and North America at 14 percent.
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  • Posted by mshupe 6 years, 7 months ago
    The vanity of his stupid legacy at any cost. The simplest and most effective way to achieve the utopian carbon emission objective is to simply stop exhaling. Governor Brown, you first.
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