To Be Or....What?

Posted by Herb7734 6 years, 2 months ago to Philosophy
80 comments | Share | Best of... | Flag

I was recently hospitalized with a near death situation. There's nothing like almost dying in order for one to confront one's own mortality. As an atheist in good standing, it caused me to do a lot of metaphysical thinking. It seems that the more we learn about the universe, the more we don't know. What happens after death? What is consciousness? Does it continue to exist somehow after 'shuffling off this mortal coil?" Does it have anything to do with dark energy or dark matter? We know they exist even though we can't detect them but we build a device 2 miles underground in order to detect neutrinos which would give i=us proof of dark matter. The same with consciousness in that we know it exists but have no concrete evidence. The subject is so ephemeral that we rarely discuss it in this forum. Perhaps because we are afraid to be scorned for delving into a subject so close to mysticism. I think it may be a subject worthy of our attention. There's an awful lot of big brains lurking in the gulch. What is death? What is consciousness? When "life" ends is it the same as turning off a light swith. I'm quite sure that there's not a Michaelangelo type fiure with a white flowing beard in white flowing robes playing with the universe like we would a bacteria colony. And, just what is real anyway?Help elucidate me.


All Comments


Previous comments...   You are currently on page 2.
  • Posted by 6 years, 2 months ago in reply to this comment.
    You appear o me to be a candidate for the Discordian religion which is the modern day version of the worship of the Greek goddess Eris, goddess of chaos You can learn all about it by reading Principia Discordia, published by Loompanics PO Box1197 Port Townsend,WA 98368.Some say it's satire. Some say it's not. But it is written mostly by berkely studens in the 60's, so, who knows?
    Reply | Permalink  
  • Posted by ewv 6 years, 2 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Yes, the "butterfly effect" is now more of a metaphor about how some seemingly minor events may have large unexpected consequences, not that the whole world is in chaos. Either major or minor choices, good or bad, may have effects for which today that we would not want the results changed -- like being born! Demands for "reparations" are truly irrational for several reasons.
    Reply | Permalink  
  • Posted by lrshultis 6 years, 2 months ago in reply to this comment.
    The butterfly effect is more a mathematical curiosity about chaotic systems than that a butterfly flapping its wings might change the whole system because the system is not necessarily continuous like the real number system. It is most likely discrete individual objects.
    It would be better to use the example of what would happen if slavery had not taken place to the extent that it did. Few if any of today's people would ever have been born since nearly all the future of that time would be different where nearly any ova would be fertilized by the same sperms, if they even existed to produce today's humans. Just one reason that, even though slavery was evil, that one should recognize that one would not exist today. That is why those who want reparations for what happened to their ancestors are really asking for reparations for their having been born and in a way wishing never to have been born.
    Reply | Permalink  
  • Posted by ewv 6 years, 2 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Any choice in life can potentially do that in unanticipated ways. He is referring to the fact that it wouldn't matter to him because nothing can matter to someone who isn't.
    Reply | Permalink  
  • Posted by ewv 6 years, 2 months ago in reply to this comment.
    That was Einstein's metaphor on behalf of the principle of causality, not about the multi-fallacy invoked in the name of Pascal's joke.
    Reply | Permalink  
  • Posted by ewv 6 years, 2 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I'm not familiar with that. But if you keep thinking, no matter what it's about, you'll be fine too, by definition. But don't confuse waking up every morning with wake up mourning. That would not work.
    Reply | Permalink  
  • Posted by term2 6 years, 2 months ago in reply to this comment.
    You probably mean while the brain is still alive". So the issue would be if one could download whats in one brain into either another physical brain, or a virtual brain of some sort (usb drive). That has been the subject of science fiction for a long time. It would be pretty cool if it worked.

    There are technical issues in that a brain is also used to sensory inputs and motor outputs, so one would have to duplicate the input nerves and motor nerves in order to get much use from the replacement brain.
    Very cool to actually do this, and someday it might happen...
    Reply | Permalink  
  • Posted by 6 years, 2 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Unless one day science could extract memory from brains and file them....Imagine the memories of great men, perhaps with a bit of censorship.
    Reply | Permalink  
  • Posted by 6 years, 2 months ago in reply to this comment.
    There could be hundreds of consequenses to anyone's death because
    of all the "Woulda, shoulda, couldas" involved.Remember "The butterfly effect."
    Reply | Permalink  
  • Posted by lrshultis 6 years, 2 months ago in reply to this comment.
    It is only important as long as I, a self, can be selfish. Were I to drop dead suddenly, it would not matter but since I am a self it is important to me what happens to my stuff.
    Reply | Permalink  
  • Posted by term2 6 years, 2 months ago in reply to this comment.
    exactly. With no evidence available for thousands of years, and regarding multiple gods and places that we are supposed to go after death, I just have to conclude that when its over, its OVER.
    Reply | Permalink  
  • Posted by term2 6 years, 2 months ago in reply to this comment.
    yeah, in the absense of some actual evidence, this is all a rational person can really accept.
    Reply | Permalink  
  • Posted by ewv 6 years, 2 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Pascal wrote that as a joke. It is full of fallacies, not the least of which is: which of the infinite imaginable scenarios should be "bet" on.
    Reply | Permalink  
  • Posted by brucejc04 6 years, 2 months ago
    Well written. I am 81 and worry about my library also. Please give consideration to a "natural burial" as opposed to cremation as that is both natural, more ecologically sound and does not permanently waste good real estate.
    Reply | Permalink  
  • Posted by 6 years, 2 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I'm not quite as sure as you as to what the brain is capable of. 100 years ago, we were sure we knew something about the universe and then a young whippersnapper named Albert Onebeer or Einstein screwed everything up and proved the product of our senses bore nothing that was real.
    One hundred years from now-- who knows?
    Reply | Permalink  
  • Posted by 6 years, 2 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Good one.
    I wish that some bright person would get on with the answers. This is one dead-end that really needs answering.
    Reply | Permalink  
  • Posted by 6 years, 2 months ago in reply to this comment.
    And yet....."no one ever comes back" -- how do we know if memory doesn't come back with us? It kinda ruins it to have gone through a whole life without any memory of it.
    Reply | Permalink  
  • Posted by 6 years, 2 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Consciousness becomes trickier, it seems once the brain gets involved. It is like a person in an apartment. You can only function with what the apartment (brain) can provide such as utilities. etc. When you sleep you dream and escape the limitations of the senses, then, you must learn to to control the dream state.
    Reply | Permalink  

  • Comment hidden. Undo