Preparing for the next National Emergency: the Gun Crisis?

Posted by Zero 6 years, 2 months ago to Ask the Gulch
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A question to Trump supporters:
If he is successful in his bid for emergency powers, are you not worried that a future president would likewise bypass congress, issuing emergency executive orders to confront the "gun crisis?"

Or do you believe Pelosi was making an empty threat?


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  • Posted by term2 6 years, 2 months ago
    The leftists will do whatever they can get away with. Trump should do what he can while he can
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  • Posted by Dobrien 6 years, 2 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Trumps state of the union address
    The main focus was the wall.
    95% approval from R’s
    80% approval from the I’s
    30% approval from the D’s

    Btw we are not a democracy we are a Republic
    What is the difference? I’ll give a hint one uses mob rule!
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  • Posted by Dobrien 6 years, 2 months ago in reply to this comment.
    What the hell did we live through for the last 5 decades? We are on life support but because of Trump we are no longer critical.
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  • Posted by Dobrien 6 years, 2 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Organized by Soros and his Open borders foundation through a Chicago based group are caravans seeded with criminals and enemies from the middle east and elsewhere . With the goal of breaching our defenses is a crisis. Trump did everything he could besides bribery to get a unified bipartisan congressional assistance in fixing this vulnerable border. I wonder if El Capo
    Will name the politicians and others with his payoffs. Good bye corrupt leaders your days are numbered.
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  • Posted by KevinSchwinkendorf 6 years, 2 months ago
    First of all (last question first): Nancy Pelosi is an empty suit. Second, the crucial difference between President Trump's National Emergency (vs. some hypothetical NE that confiscates personal firearms) is that the POTUS has the constitutional duty to defend the constitution and the country (that would mean, borders). We have Second Amendment Rights in this country, and any EO to take them would be blatantly unconstitutional, violating not only the 2nd, but also the 4t, 5th, and 14th Amendments. The only "gun crisis" we have had in this country is when democrats are in power and they threaten our Second Amendment rights. Starting with the Gun Control Act of 1968 (GCA '68), which was an emotional "We've got to DO something!" overreaction to the assassinations of Robert Kennedy and MLK, Carter subsequently issued an edict that anybody purchasing "handgun ammo" had to register their names, addresses, and other personal identifying information (PII) in a notebook in the sporting goods store where you bought the ammo. At the time, I was in high school, but I had a .22 Remington bolt-action RIFLE, so I had to sign my name every time I bought .22 ammo (because it COULD be used in a handgun!). I didn't have to sign my name for .30-30 Win or .30-06 Springfield, which of course are much more powerful. Later, Reagan rescinded that stupid Carter edict (I don't remember whether that was an "Executive Order" or what). (So, just because some gun control rule gets on the books, doesn't mean it will always be there.) Still later, there was Clinton's assault on gun rights ("Assault Weapon Ban" etc.). During Obama's junta, threats to Second Amendment rights went into orbit, and gun sales skyrocketed. Again, the only "gun crisis" is when our rights are threatened by left-wing tyrants. If some future president were to declare a NE over guns, what would that mean? An order to confiscate personal firearms en masse? That would trigger civil war. There would be "Lexington Green" events all over the country. Half the households in this country have guns. Out of a population of 330 million, 100-120 million people have guns, and there are 300 million firearms in private hands. So, the "average" gun owner has 3 firearms (some have less, some have more - some have a LOT more!). We will NEVER surrender our constitution rights. Molon labe!
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  • Posted by mia767ca 6 years, 2 months ago
    ...then comes the bloody civil war...and I think the military will side with gun owners...
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  • Posted by ycandrea 6 years, 2 months ago
    Yup. Whenever you make a huge change like this, it will usually bite you in the butt later on!
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  • Posted by Stormi 6 years, 2 months ago
    By then ole Nancy will be in the nursing home or gone, the victim of MS 13 members. Most of my pals agree with cousin Charleton, "From my cold dead hands ...."
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  • Posted by craigerb 6 years, 2 months ago in reply to this comment.
    True. Politicians have been avoiding this emergency for several administrations. It has reached a crisis.
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  • Posted by craigerb 6 years, 2 months ago in reply to this comment.
    "The job is 82% done and instead of carrying on with the job a few jerks instead try to get people angry and exploit that for dishonest gain."
    I'm curious about this. Are people intentionally delaying completion in order to cause "cost overruns"? Is this happening in private industry or government?
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  • Posted by Jujucat 6 years, 2 months ago
    I think that the up and coming socialist kids like AOC would not hesitate to use whatever means to achieve their ends. Pelosi, not so sure about. Also, I wish to whine, and forgive me if this was already stated here, as I haven't had time to read the whole thread: There have been a LOT of national emergencies declared over the decades. I think the exec branch has too much power already, but I guess what I'm whining about it the thought that he's getting so much flack for just this one.
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  • Posted by cjmcd 6 years, 2 months ago
    There would be open insurrection and the dimms know that. The Federal military is forbidden by the Constitution from firing on American civilians, and I dare say that most of the police would quit their stations before taking the part of communists.
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  • Posted by $ Thoritsu 6 years, 2 months ago
    Think this would get shut down by one of the handful of real federal judges left.
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  • Posted by DrZarkov99 6 years, 2 months ago
    There are roughly 100 million known gun owners (and most likely a lot of unknowns as well), approximately 300 million guns in private hands, and around 12 trillion rounds of ammunition privately held. State efforts to get gun owners to voluntarily turn in large capacity magazines have flopped. Even in "blue" New York, less than an estimated 5% complied, and law enforcement has made it known they oppose any effort to forcibly seize legally owned guns.

    Any president who tried to declare gun ownership a national emergency would be triggering a revolt. It's not unimaginable that a Democrat with visions of the grandeur of a police state might make the attempt, but it would fail catastrophically.

    The least harmful ending to such a declaration would be the SCOTUS ruling it unconstitutional, violating the 2nd amendment. Beyond that is an invitation to violence, with most uniformed military siding with the citizen gun owners.
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  • Posted by CaptainKirk 6 years, 2 months ago
    Here are the problems with that argument:
    1) Where was this when Obama gave Amnesty/work papers to illegals?
    2) He is doing it, WITHIN the guidelines of the laws. We have a RIGHT to have our borders secured.
    3) If you point this at confiscating guns... BUT LIMIT it to ILLEGALS... I am okay with that!
    4) If you think declaring an national emergency of Freedom of Speech or the Second Amendment is NOT a clear violation of our rights (vs. securing the border, which is part of the presidents job)... Then I think you are making the liberal argument.

    Finally, we may well be past the point of no return. If Trump cant get this fixed up, it wont matter, they will come for our Freedom of Speech (closing conservative platforms... Oh, already started), and limiting gun purchases to those 21 and older (oh, done that), and then they will make magazines holding more than ONE bullet illegal (it's probably coming), and then, and then...

    We are sliding down the slippery slope at a rapid pace.
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  • Posted by $ allosaur 6 years, 2 months ago
    No matter what the feds do, me dino just can't see anybody coming after my guns in Sweet Home Alabama. And I ain't going anywhere.
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  • Posted by CircuitGuy 6 years, 2 months ago
    I don't think the a fake "gun crisis" is a good analogy. Border protection is something we're already spending money on. Congress and the president disagree on how much to spend. A better analogy would be a fake crisis associated with childhood nutrition, healthcare, or housing. It would be something we're already spending money on like food stamps, Medicaid, or rent/mortgage subsidies.

    I hope courts disallow it and it turns out just to be a political ploy. If the executive branch making up a fake national emergency actually works, I predict another fake emergency will be coming soon, and it will involve "the children".
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  • Posted by CircuitGuy 6 years, 2 months ago in reply to this comment.
    " Every election is 51/49 these days. From that one easily deduces that half the country is liberal and opposed to the wall. "
    I understand the reasoning, but I hope (am not sure) people are a little more sophisticated. We've been building barriers at locations where there are high illegal crossings for decades. It worked. Illegal crossings are down 82%. President Trump making a big deal out of the issue is just a dog whistle for his deplorables, not a real issue. Democrats play right along, opposing it, even though they supported it in the past and it worked.

    Back in high school, people said you had to be tripping out on acid to understand The Wall, and it's even more true today.

    The politics reminds me of the most disgusting behavior I've seen at work. The job is 82% done and instead of carrying on with the job a few jerks instead try to get people angry and exploit that for dishonest gain. .

    I am very concerned about every growing executive power. Many people can tell who to blame for it, but no one has a solution to stop it.
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  • Posted by Dobrien 6 years, 2 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Federal Register pages are also way down, winning praise from corporate America and consumers.

    Under Trump the daily list of pages totaled 61,308 in 2017 and 68,082 this year.

    Former President Barack Obama’s high was 95,894 in 2016, as he was rushing through new rules before Trump took office. However, both both former Presidents George W. Bush and Bill Clinton had lower pages published in some years than Trump.

    In what Crews has dubbed the “Unconstitutionality Index,” Trump has has also slashed the percentage of new rules to new laws passed by Congress and signed by Trump, he wrote in a second report issued Monday.

    Trump’s 2018 index was 12: 3,367 new rules compared to 291 new laws.

    The Index reached 29 under Obama.

    “The point, though, is that the unelected personnel of agencies do the bulk of lawmaking in America, not Congress — no matter the party in power,”
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  • Posted by Dobrien 6 years, 2 months ago in reply to this comment.
    President Trump has made good and then some on his pledge to slash costly federal regulations, issuing the fewest new rules in recorded history in his first two years, according to a new analysis.

    In fact, the efforts by the White House, Office of Management and Budget, and several agencies to cut and reduce the flow of regulations this year have only ever been topped once: by the same Trump team last year.

    “At year-end 2018, how is President Donald Trump’s regulatory reform project going? Better than Obama, Bush II, and Clinton in terms of fewer regulations; but not as good as Trump’s own first year,” said the Competitive Enterprise Institute.

    In what Crews has dubbed the “Unconstitutionality Index,” Trump has has also slashed the percentage of new rules to new laws passed by Congress and signed by Trump, he wrote in a second report issued Monday.

    Trump’s 2018 index was 12: 3,367 new rules compared to 291 new laws.

    The Index reached 29 under Obama.
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  • Posted by Dobrien 6 years, 2 months ago in reply to this comment.
    What world have you been living in. For decades politicians have been eroding your liberty, freedoms and constitutional rights.
    See Hussein National Emergencies Vs Trump
    https://www.google.com/search?q=obama....
    For the first time we have someone who is fighting for we the people from being totally enslaved by a criminal Cabal of RINO’S and D’s. I support and Trust Trump. It is an emergency open your eyes.
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