Trump and Ojectivism
Posted by Tavolino 5 years, 8 months ago to Government
Trump and Objectivism
I’m puzzled by the formal Objectivist movement (ARI, TOS) and their complete disdain for President Trump. From the beginning they have never missed a chance not only to distance themselves, but also follow with a pompous negative certainty, without having the necessary relevant facts. Ironic, considering our foundations are based on proper identification (metaphysics) and validation (epistemology) before passing judgment or taking action (ethics). While I agree principles should never be compromised, context and perspective need to be objectively evaluated and applied, rather than a blind intrinsic repetition. Regarding Trump, there some broad hierarchal recognitions that I believe are very consonant with our philosophy.
Our fundamental basis is metaphysics, which is the proper identification of the nature of something. More than any past politician, however brash, Trump calls it like he sees it within his known knowledge. Be it the emotional motivations of political correctness, the lies of the “fake news,” the imbedded corruption, the recognition of the good and bad on the world stage (Israel, China, North Korea, Iran), the parasitical nations that feed off our teat, etc., etc.. The transparency of his thoughts have been unmatched and not hidden behind political speak, spins, alternate agendas, backroom deals or deceit. It is what it is.
As Dr. Jerome Huyler noted, “Trump has the sense of life of an individualist. His common sense - born of decades of experience as a businessman and dealing with politicians - tells him that taxes and heavy-handed regulations destroy economies. It is true, as Rand said that common sense is the child's method of thinking. But it is born of empirical experience,” the basis of knowledge acquisition.
His “America First” mantra should be championed by us. Rand had always said America will never regain its greatness until it changes its altruist morality. America First is just that. It’s not some blind German nationalism, but an attitude that America’s interests need to be selfishly upheld. This is a necessary fundamental to our ethics. He has attempted to keep open discussions with all, based around trade and fair exchange. Rand had said, “The trader and the warrior have been fundamental antagonist throughout history.” His movement away from aggressive wars, political globalism and multi-lateral agreements keep our own self-interests as paramount. It’s the application of the trader principle.
Lastly, his counter-punch mindset and approach is completely in line with our moral rightness of retaliation. He may prod or poke, but does not pull the proverbial trigger until he’s attacked, either with words or actions.
There is a dire threat that’s facing our country today with the abuses and power of the ingrained bureaucracy utilized for political purposes. It's imperative that all Americans unite, led by the voices of reason to identify and expose this fundamental threat to freedom. It's not about the false alternative of Trump or never Trump, it's about the American system and the fundamental role, purpose and responsibilities of government, regardless ones political persuasion.
As Objectivists, we need to continually apply our principles in the real world of what is, slowly moving it to where it should be. We need to descend from the “ivory tower” to the first floor of reality. Trump may not be able to articulate the principles, but are not what’s mentioned above consistent with our most basic and fundamental beliefs as Objectivists?
I’m puzzled by the formal Objectivist movement (ARI, TOS) and their complete disdain for President Trump. From the beginning they have never missed a chance not only to distance themselves, but also follow with a pompous negative certainty, without having the necessary relevant facts. Ironic, considering our foundations are based on proper identification (metaphysics) and validation (epistemology) before passing judgment or taking action (ethics). While I agree principles should never be compromised, context and perspective need to be objectively evaluated and applied, rather than a blind intrinsic repetition. Regarding Trump, there some broad hierarchal recognitions that I believe are very consonant with our philosophy.
Our fundamental basis is metaphysics, which is the proper identification of the nature of something. More than any past politician, however brash, Trump calls it like he sees it within his known knowledge. Be it the emotional motivations of political correctness, the lies of the “fake news,” the imbedded corruption, the recognition of the good and bad on the world stage (Israel, China, North Korea, Iran), the parasitical nations that feed off our teat, etc., etc.. The transparency of his thoughts have been unmatched and not hidden behind political speak, spins, alternate agendas, backroom deals or deceit. It is what it is.
As Dr. Jerome Huyler noted, “Trump has the sense of life of an individualist. His common sense - born of decades of experience as a businessman and dealing with politicians - tells him that taxes and heavy-handed regulations destroy economies. It is true, as Rand said that common sense is the child's method of thinking. But it is born of empirical experience,” the basis of knowledge acquisition.
His “America First” mantra should be championed by us. Rand had always said America will never regain its greatness until it changes its altruist morality. America First is just that. It’s not some blind German nationalism, but an attitude that America’s interests need to be selfishly upheld. This is a necessary fundamental to our ethics. He has attempted to keep open discussions with all, based around trade and fair exchange. Rand had said, “The trader and the warrior have been fundamental antagonist throughout history.” His movement away from aggressive wars, political globalism and multi-lateral agreements keep our own self-interests as paramount. It’s the application of the trader principle.
Lastly, his counter-punch mindset and approach is completely in line with our moral rightness of retaliation. He may prod or poke, but does not pull the proverbial trigger until he’s attacked, either with words or actions.
There is a dire threat that’s facing our country today with the abuses and power of the ingrained bureaucracy utilized for political purposes. It's imperative that all Americans unite, led by the voices of reason to identify and expose this fundamental threat to freedom. It's not about the false alternative of Trump or never Trump, it's about the American system and the fundamental role, purpose and responsibilities of government, regardless ones political persuasion.
As Objectivists, we need to continually apply our principles in the real world of what is, slowly moving it to where it should be. We need to descend from the “ivory tower” to the first floor of reality. Trump may not be able to articulate the principles, but are not what’s mentioned above consistent with our most basic and fundamental beliefs as Objectivists?
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Where am I injecting opinion?
Your original statement was an ad hominem not a "light-hearted suggestion."
Don't double down on your lack of arguments with dishonest too.
I eagerly await a “gradual but fundamental change in ideas” rejecting the subjectivist/collectivist ideology around 1500 years from now.
The sentence is not convoluted. The structure is: "Dismissing observation of [...] because that observation is [...] is part of the Libertarian Party's rationalizing of its rationalizing.”
The rationalizing away of obvious facts together with the intellectual requirements for fundamental change in politics has become so endlessly circling that even rationalization as a method is being rationalized.
That corruption helps to keep itself in power does not mean it determines the long term course of a culture and its politics. Corruption in the Catholic Church did not stop the eventual overthrow of Catholic ideology and power for the Enlightenment; the Enlightenment required a gradual but fundamental change in ideas rejecting the Catholic ideology.
The common quote is "To those who understand no explanation is necessary, for those who don't none is possible", which is the common translation from Acquinas' "To one who has faith, no explanation is necessary. To one without faith, no explanation is possible." It was a rejection of the possibility of explaining the impenetrable, which must be believed on faith for which no explanation is necessary.
It's probably not what you intended to say.
Understanding anything requires explanation -- including a recommendation that someone spend the time to read a book.
Just not on my end.
Immigration laws originate and are based on racism and economic protectionism and it was leftists advocating this. It is not a leftist smear.
Today these reasons haven't changed, except the racists have become a bit more "softer" and advocate homogeneous culture, nationalism and white identity, word games meaning the same thing. These positions are now being advocated by conservatives as they move further and further left.
There is no rational reason to oppose immigration, just like there's no rational reason to oppose anyone's activity that doesn't violate rights.
"Today criminals, some in horrendous gangs; welfare indigents; and the diseased are violating rights"
What has that got to do with immigration?
All these things should be opposed anyway.
"Conservatives do object to both immigrants getting taxpayer subsidies and the criminals."
Don't they oppose they for citizens too?
That's why this argument amounts to grasping at straws.
"The issue of numbers of immigrants that can be assimilated at one time is significant in the face of "open borders" and multiculturalist leftists wanting people from the third world to come for our wealth and to replace capitalism."
It's true that the left want to import welfare recipients in an attempt to create a permanent voting bloc for themselves.
The problem with this is that humans are not deterministic, so this is likely to backfire, and also that the way to fight it is by fighting the welfare state. Not immigration.
1.Do Not Criticize, Condemn or Complain
2. Be Generous With Praise
3. Remember Their Name
4. Be Genuinely Interested In Other People
5. Know The Value Of Charm
6. Be Quick To Acknowledge Your Own Mistakes
7. Don't Attempt To "Win" An Argument
8. Begin On Common Ground
9. Have Others Believe Your Conclusion Is Their Own
10. Make People Feel Important
Read into each your own interpretation. To me, it was just about the method of communication, no more.
When it takes a sentence this convoluted to make a point, the point itself is open to question. You can call any statement you disagree with “rationalizing”, but in fact I drew an exact parallel between Ayn Rand’s description of an “argument from intimidation” and your use of similar terminology.
”There is no parallel in requirements for progress between Objectivism and Libertarian Party politics.”
Sure there is. Progress in both endeavors requires engaged activists working to promote their viewpoints. In terms of public awareness and respect Libertarians have been more successful because they have been active in participating in political debate (which, incidentally, is part of the culture), and not waiting for an Objectivist renaissance that may take centuries to arrive.
“Even god doesn't propose to judge a man till his last days, why should you and I?”
“If you do something for someone else, never remember. If someone does something for you, never forget.”
“Talk about your own mistakes before criticizing the other person.”
“The world is so full of people who are grabbing and self-seeking. So the rare individual who unselfishly tries to serve others has an enormous advantage. He has little competition.”
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