Trump and Ojectivism
Posted by Tavolino 5 years, 8 months ago to Government
Trump and Objectivism
I’m puzzled by the formal Objectivist movement (ARI, TOS) and their complete disdain for President Trump. From the beginning they have never missed a chance not only to distance themselves, but also follow with a pompous negative certainty, without having the necessary relevant facts. Ironic, considering our foundations are based on proper identification (metaphysics) and validation (epistemology) before passing judgment or taking action (ethics). While I agree principles should never be compromised, context and perspective need to be objectively evaluated and applied, rather than a blind intrinsic repetition. Regarding Trump, there some broad hierarchal recognitions that I believe are very consonant with our philosophy.
Our fundamental basis is metaphysics, which is the proper identification of the nature of something. More than any past politician, however brash, Trump calls it like he sees it within his known knowledge. Be it the emotional motivations of political correctness, the lies of the “fake news,” the imbedded corruption, the recognition of the good and bad on the world stage (Israel, China, North Korea, Iran), the parasitical nations that feed off our teat, etc., etc.. The transparency of his thoughts have been unmatched and not hidden behind political speak, spins, alternate agendas, backroom deals or deceit. It is what it is.
As Dr. Jerome Huyler noted, “Trump has the sense of life of an individualist. His common sense - born of decades of experience as a businessman and dealing with politicians - tells him that taxes and heavy-handed regulations destroy economies. It is true, as Rand said that common sense is the child's method of thinking. But it is born of empirical experience,” the basis of knowledge acquisition.
His “America First” mantra should be championed by us. Rand had always said America will never regain its greatness until it changes its altruist morality. America First is just that. It’s not some blind German nationalism, but an attitude that America’s interests need to be selfishly upheld. This is a necessary fundamental to our ethics. He has attempted to keep open discussions with all, based around trade and fair exchange. Rand had said, “The trader and the warrior have been fundamental antagonist throughout history.” His movement away from aggressive wars, political globalism and multi-lateral agreements keep our own self-interests as paramount. It’s the application of the trader principle.
Lastly, his counter-punch mindset and approach is completely in line with our moral rightness of retaliation. He may prod or poke, but does not pull the proverbial trigger until he’s attacked, either with words or actions.
There is a dire threat that’s facing our country today with the abuses and power of the ingrained bureaucracy utilized for political purposes. It's imperative that all Americans unite, led by the voices of reason to identify and expose this fundamental threat to freedom. It's not about the false alternative of Trump or never Trump, it's about the American system and the fundamental role, purpose and responsibilities of government, regardless ones political persuasion.
As Objectivists, we need to continually apply our principles in the real world of what is, slowly moving it to where it should be. We need to descend from the “ivory tower” to the first floor of reality. Trump may not be able to articulate the principles, but are not what’s mentioned above consistent with our most basic and fundamental beliefs as Objectivists?
I’m puzzled by the formal Objectivist movement (ARI, TOS) and their complete disdain for President Trump. From the beginning they have never missed a chance not only to distance themselves, but also follow with a pompous negative certainty, without having the necessary relevant facts. Ironic, considering our foundations are based on proper identification (metaphysics) and validation (epistemology) before passing judgment or taking action (ethics). While I agree principles should never be compromised, context and perspective need to be objectively evaluated and applied, rather than a blind intrinsic repetition. Regarding Trump, there some broad hierarchal recognitions that I believe are very consonant with our philosophy.
Our fundamental basis is metaphysics, which is the proper identification of the nature of something. More than any past politician, however brash, Trump calls it like he sees it within his known knowledge. Be it the emotional motivations of political correctness, the lies of the “fake news,” the imbedded corruption, the recognition of the good and bad on the world stage (Israel, China, North Korea, Iran), the parasitical nations that feed off our teat, etc., etc.. The transparency of his thoughts have been unmatched and not hidden behind political speak, spins, alternate agendas, backroom deals or deceit. It is what it is.
As Dr. Jerome Huyler noted, “Trump has the sense of life of an individualist. His common sense - born of decades of experience as a businessman and dealing with politicians - tells him that taxes and heavy-handed regulations destroy economies. It is true, as Rand said that common sense is the child's method of thinking. But it is born of empirical experience,” the basis of knowledge acquisition.
His “America First” mantra should be championed by us. Rand had always said America will never regain its greatness until it changes its altruist morality. America First is just that. It’s not some blind German nationalism, but an attitude that America’s interests need to be selfishly upheld. This is a necessary fundamental to our ethics. He has attempted to keep open discussions with all, based around trade and fair exchange. Rand had said, “The trader and the warrior have been fundamental antagonist throughout history.” His movement away from aggressive wars, political globalism and multi-lateral agreements keep our own self-interests as paramount. It’s the application of the trader principle.
Lastly, his counter-punch mindset and approach is completely in line with our moral rightness of retaliation. He may prod or poke, but does not pull the proverbial trigger until he’s attacked, either with words or actions.
There is a dire threat that’s facing our country today with the abuses and power of the ingrained bureaucracy utilized for political purposes. It's imperative that all Americans unite, led by the voices of reason to identify and expose this fundamental threat to freedom. It's not about the false alternative of Trump or never Trump, it's about the American system and the fundamental role, purpose and responsibilities of government, regardless ones political persuasion.
As Objectivists, we need to continually apply our principles in the real world of what is, slowly moving it to where it should be. We need to descend from the “ivory tower” to the first floor of reality. Trump may not be able to articulate the principles, but are not what’s mentioned above consistent with our most basic and fundamental beliefs as Objectivists?
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Petey.
I think that is a more rational response. He should rescind immediately all tariffs with China before he loses the 2020 election.
I wouldn’t buy from hitler no matter how low his price was. Given that China government is totalitarian, we shouldn’t trade with them
Exactly and well put.
Criticism of conservative positions and poor reasoning is not a personal attack regardless of whether anyone feels 'triggered' by it. We see them reacting that way and personally lashing out here over and over as they misrepresent their target and play victim.
Widespread conservative anti-intellectualism and swaggering emotionalism (which is certainly not true of all of conservatives) is a cultural problem that ought to be of concern for any supporter of reason and individualism. It is not to be banned from discussion.
But no one has to be an Objectivist to any degree to know better than to be so gullible over Washington press releases with official-sounding titles. You can go on from there to ask why someone is so gullible, relating it ultimately to education, or intelligence, or an emotional refusal be more critical even when explained to them.
But for those of us here concerned with the national trend as well as particular injustices against individuals, this is a largely left wing government with 'trivial' reforms in the full context. Trump and his followers are trying to tinker with the establishment system to make it "work" under their nationalist collectivism. It's the last gasp of Republican Pragmatism in a futile attempt to survive the radical left without challenging basic premises.
In a free society the individual is free to do anything other than what is prohibited as a violation of the rights of others; while the government has no rights or freedom to pass whatever laws it feels like, it must pass and enforce laws protecting the rights of the individual.
"Factoids" rationalizing statism are the conservative substitute for facts and rational principles.
It is not irrelevant "what happens after that". Without changing the system it is not deregulated. Legislation de-authorizing certain kinds of regulation would be far more significant than minor changes within the regulatory framework. Legislation has both authorized whole classes of regulation and established procedures for agencies to formulate or revise them.
It is harder to "reform" them at the agency level than it is for the statists to use the procedure to impose them, and harder to change legislation authorizing them. (It is generally harder to pass legislation -- both authorizing and deauthorizing -- than to block it.)
But as history has shown, such legislation is far from impossible and grows like a cancer under both parties. True deregulation requires getting rid of the whole mentality and conservatives aren't trying to do that, even in their own minds. It isn't just the Republican "moderates".
And since you don't believe such a nonsensical thing I'm sure you're going to respond to the comment suggesting that Trump is 40% Objectivist and call it out for the absurdity that it is...
Or the slow but steady normalization of authoritarian talking points and tribalism in our discourse instead of politically literate arguments.
Also, I don't think it's gullibility. Sadly I think a lot of people, even many Objectivists, think Trump is something great and are trying to rationalize their support for him with Objectivism.
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