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Trump and Ojectivism

Posted by Tavolino 5 years, 8 months ago to Government
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Trump and Objectivism

I’m puzzled by the formal Objectivist movement (ARI, TOS) and their complete disdain for President Trump. From the beginning they have never missed a chance not only to distance themselves, but also follow with a pompous negative certainty, without having the necessary relevant facts. Ironic, considering our foundations are based on proper identification (metaphysics) and validation (epistemology) before passing judgment or taking action (ethics). While I agree principles should never be compromised, context and perspective need to be objectively evaluated and applied, rather than a blind intrinsic repetition. Regarding Trump, there some broad hierarchal recognitions that I believe are very consonant with our philosophy.

Our fundamental basis is metaphysics, which is the proper identification of the nature of something. More than any past politician, however brash, Trump calls it like he sees it within his known knowledge. Be it the emotional motivations of political correctness, the lies of the “fake news,” the imbedded corruption, the recognition of the good and bad on the world stage (Israel, China, North Korea, Iran), the parasitical nations that feed off our teat, etc., etc.. The transparency of his thoughts have been unmatched and not hidden behind political speak, spins, alternate agendas, backroom deals or deceit. It is what it is.

As Dr. Jerome Huyler noted, “Trump has the sense of life of an individualist. His common sense - born of decades of experience as a businessman and dealing with politicians - tells him that taxes and heavy-handed regulations destroy economies. It is true, as Rand said that common sense is the child's method of thinking. But it is born of empirical experience,” the basis of knowledge acquisition.

His “America First” mantra should be championed by us. Rand had always said America will never regain its greatness until it changes its altruist morality. America First is just that. It’s not some blind German nationalism, but an attitude that America’s interests need to be selfishly upheld. This is a necessary fundamental to our ethics. He has attempted to keep open discussions with all, based around trade and fair exchange. Rand had said, “The trader and the warrior have been fundamental antagonist throughout history.” His movement away from aggressive wars, political globalism and multi-lateral agreements keep our own self-interests as paramount. It’s the application of the trader principle.

Lastly, his counter-punch mindset and approach is completely in line with our moral rightness of retaliation. He may prod or poke, but does not pull the proverbial trigger until he’s attacked, either with words or actions.

There is a dire threat that’s facing our country today with the abuses and power of the ingrained bureaucracy utilized for political purposes. It's imperative that all Americans unite, led by the voices of reason to identify and expose this fundamental threat to freedom. It's not about the false alternative of Trump or never Trump, it's about the American system and the fundamental role, purpose and responsibilities of government, regardless ones political persuasion.

As Objectivists, we need to continually apply our principles in the real world of what is, slowly moving it to where it should be. We need to descend from the “ivory tower” to the first floor of reality. Trump may not be able to articulate the principles, but are not what’s mentioned above consistent with our most basic and fundamental beliefs as Objectivists?






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  • Posted by 5 years, 8 months ago
    Reason and truth has been replaced with feelings and opinions. To understand where we should be, we need to understand where we are, and to disregard the last generation of corruption, let alone the last century of increased power centralization is fundamentally evasion, the most evil kind of dishonesty. And the TDS from all sides closes potential portals of any light. To quote Rand once again, “The hardest thing to explain is the glaringly evident which everybody has decided not to see.”
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  • Posted by Russpilot 5 years, 8 months ago in reply to this comment.
    K. Time to get some warm milk, change your nappy and get tucked in. You can breathe easier in 2024 when Trump leaves office. Until then you can live in your wretched little world of hating your President. Nite nite little one.
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    Posted by PeterSmith 5 years, 8 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Ah OK, let's just ignore everything I've said and restate your fantasy as if it's reality, trying to exaggerate trivial technicalities as if they were some kind of momentous achievements.
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  • Posted by PeterSmith 5 years, 8 months ago in reply to this comment.
    So running a government passing trillion dollar spending bills, eliminating the debt ceiling, regulating trade and immigration is not a more left wing government than Obama?
    You realize Obama didn't eliminate the debt ceiling nor start "trade wars."
    What planet are you people on?
    Like I said in one of these threads earlier, when it comes to Trump, most people seem to be in a fantasy world stating their wishes as if they were facts, when the facts are as bad as they can get.
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    Posted by PeterSmith 5 years, 8 months ago in reply to this comment.
    "Based on what he has done since he came to office."
    Right...he's passed trillion dollar spending bills, removed the debt ceiling, regulated immigration, trade, is actively attacking the free speech and property rights of tech companies...so based on what he's done it's not possible to conclude Trump is anything other than a complete collectivist.
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  • Posted by 5 years, 8 months ago
    My original post was not to assert that Trump was an Objectivist, but many of his broad fundamentals were in line. Metaphysics-It is what it is, Epistemology-Rational pragmatism (for lack of a better term) navigating the cards that he was dealt, Ethics-America’s self-interest, Politics-More individualism than collectivism, Economics-more capitalist. There are many thoughtful comments, but much gets lost in the concretes, while valid, may be out of context. There are also numerous conclusions that are opinion based rather than factual. We all agree that he’s not John Galt, but politically who is? Dr. Jerome Huyler has printed an interesting essay on spreading Objectivism from the bottom up, and deals with many of the comments. For the “pure” Objectivists and anti-Trumpers, I suggest you read Rand’s “How to Pick a Political Candidate” published in March ’64. It may give all a perspective on the binary choice of our system, like it or not.
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  • Posted by mccannon01 5 years, 8 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I probably missed the same thing you did along the road as I'd like to know what is meant by NPC as well.
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  • Posted by $ CBJ 5 years, 8 months ago in reply to this comment.
    If your arguments are so strong, why do you consider it necessary to resort to personal attacks and insults?

    Tax cuts are tax cuts. Trump's judges are way better, Constitution-wise, than anyone Hillary would have proposed. Leftists and statists overlap, but they're not the same thing. I said "repeal of Obamacare opt-out tax", not repeal of Obamacare. Dozens of regulations have been rolled back at the administrative level, where most of them originated. The federal government is no longer supporting (or spending billions of dollars on) "climate change" programs. Securing our borders is a legitimate function of the federal government.

    Just because Trump isn't perfect doesn't make him a complete collectivist. The word "complete" has a specific meaning, and Trump's views and actions don't qualify for it.
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  • Posted by ArtIficiarius 5 years, 8 months ago in reply to this comment.
    The meaning of the phrase "constitutional judge" is entirely unclear. Try reading "Reading Law" by Garner and Scalia. Cast your issues in that language and we would have a lot to talk about.
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  • Posted by $ 25n56il4 5 years, 8 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Actually, I appreciate Donald Trump. He's not 'watered down'. He is a real person. All these double-speaks make me ill.
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  • Posted by Dobrien 5 years, 8 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Oh Petey “when it comes to Trump he is basically running a more left wing government than Obama”
    TDS to the max
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  • Posted by term2 5 years, 8 months ago in reply to this comment.
    The USA is pretty far down the path to the future that was shown in AS, with little chance of reversal. This means that although there is no Objectivist country presently, There can still be one with a higher degree of personal and economic freedom than the USA
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  • Posted by term2 5 years, 8 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I would think that technical stuff is more up to date in the far east, at least for the time being
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  • Posted by term2 5 years, 8 months ago in reply to this comment.
    i dont think you would have liked what Hillary would have done if she had won the election, and I doubt you will like whatever the 2020 dems would do if elected in 2020.
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