Marketplace Fairness Act

Posted by BlueNova 12 years ago to Legislation
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Did I fall into a chapter of Atlas Shrugged and can't get out. Sometning akin to falling down Alice and Wonderland's "rabbit hole."

Street retailers want the State to collect sales taxes from on-line vendors. Ironically, many of which also do business on-line. Currently, when purchasing a product on-line, a S&H charge is applied. When purchasing a product of the "street" store, a sales tax is applied in most states (45 of 50; or, 52 of 57 if using obama's count). Isn't this leveling already achieved by market forces?. This is all BS and they're quickly, very quickly ramming it through congress. But the unintended consequences (except for obama) is to drive on-line purchasing to firms outside the US causing a further loss in jobs.

While I'm at it, another example of an "Atlas-ism" is more serious because it led to the housing bubble collapse which led to the collapse of the economy which led to the rise of the socilaists. The Financial Services Modernization Act of 1999. This repealed the Glass-Steagall Act of 1933. This act separated the banking firms from the securities firms and their combined services led to looting the economy. The repubs passed this legislation. The dems will pass the former, if they can, with a little help from the repubs.

BTW, the G-S Act was one of the few laws that the socialist Roosevelt administration. created. It was created to prevent another depression. The repeal of the G-S Act is a great example of those who forget history are doomed to repeat it.

Congress, both dems and repubs, are looting us and it cannot be stopped. It's frustrating, so frustrating.


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  • Posted by LetsShrug 12 years ago in reply to this comment.
    It's the double fairness tax. Surely if you can afford new shoes you aren't entitled to a sales tax refund if you choose to return the shoes. SOME PEOPLE DON'T HAVE ANY SHOES!
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  • Posted by Non_mooching_artist 12 years ago in reply to this comment.
    I do the bulk of my shopping online because of proximity, (the lack thereof), to say, a mall. I had the unpleasant experience recently of learning that my state has implemented a new sort of tax. It's called double dipping. I returned a pair of shoes to a store, and realized I didn't have the receipt. Fine, put it on a "gift" card to use at that store. I was surprised to see on my receipt that the sales tax was not also credited. I asked why not, and the clerk told me it's now CT policy, and emphasized it wasn't the policy of that store. I was buying a pair of tennis shoes for my daughter, so had to pay tax AGAIN, on a pair of shoes that cost exactly the same as the returned pair. So the state kept the sales tax I paid on the first pair of shoes, and then got it again on the second pair!!! WTF?!?!
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  • Posted by Non_mooching_artist 12 years ago in reply to this comment.
    A possibility, or private. I'm so outraged right now... The private schools here are prohibitively expensive, but my kids get good grades, so scholarships may be an option. Grrrrrrrr
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  • Posted by Non_mooching_artist 12 years ago in reply to this comment.
    Well, it's done. I'm pulling both of my kids out of the public schools here, because of what my daughter told me her social studies teacher said today. She said that what happened in Boston was terrible, and done by radicals, BUT Muslims are peaceful people. My daughter said she almost laughed in the teacher's face. As I've said before, we have a friend from Iraq, a Christian Iraqi, whose family was persecuted by said "peaceful Muslims" during the Gulf War. She would gladly refute this pandering PC bs being spouted by the idiots in the press!!
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  • Posted by 12 years ago in reply to this comment.
    Speaking to a like-minded conservative, I loudly mentioned in a neighborhood breakfast place "It politically sucks to live in MA." Well I don't have to tell you the response I got from the rest of the crowd. Things like "And we're proud of it." Proud of what????

    I'm a contrarian and rablerouser by nature (maybe too much for my own good) and hung up an in your face Tea Party Gadsden Flag on a main street where half of the small city has to pass. It lasted longer than I expected, 2 years until it was taken down and stolen I still carry the TPF decals on each side of my car. Hope my car doesn't get stolen :-)
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  • Posted by khalling 12 years ago in reply to this comment.
    it's ok- Rush and Hannity buy into that as well. I was just thinking about you feel about MA, they are all feeling in CT.
    with every new generation of state schooled and alter-history fed churning out, the votes will be against you, the producer. stay vigilant!
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  • Posted by 12 years ago in reply to this comment.
    From NH, AK, DE, MT or OR? Not NH because of Ayotte. The faux indian senator from my state will vote for any tax, any time.
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  • Posted by 12 years ago in reply to this comment.
    Pass or not, Amazon got in bed with gov. patrick in MA and we'll be paying the sales tax the upcoming Fall for on-line products. I wonder, can they tax the ether that delivers a book to my Kindle? A rhetorical question.

    Anyway, as to the brick and motar merchants, I as most I believe, shop on-line for covenience. Well at least I do.
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  • Posted by 12 years ago
    Thanks for the respectful correction. One always continues to learn. Knowledge is Power.
    If I knew that "$22/hr minimum wage" warren was spouting in favor of G-S, I would have taken that as a cue to look deeper. Yes, I'm from MA and still can't believe she got elected. Next markey may get elected. What a duo they'll make. To think that MA is the state where the "Shot Heard Around the World" occurred. What happened to such a courageous state? .

    I've ordered book at the end of the article the "How Ayn Rand's Ideas Can End Big Government." for my Kindle so the learning continues.

    BTW, I only meant to point out the term "Market Place Fairness Act" as being so similar the wording of a lesley mooch regulation. Then I ranted on and showed my ignorance. But by doing that, I learned something and hope to have a good read with the book.

    BTW, I even bought into the Big Lie that the poor caused the collapse by buying houses they couldn't afford. Live and learn.
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  • Posted by khalling 12 years ago
    respectfully, blue I completely disagree.
    1. AIG would not have fallen under the G-S umbrella
    2.G-S was a direct violation of free markets, giving more power to govt
    3. depression=federal reserve(central banking)+legal tender laws+bad social policy(laws)
    4. other countries were not subject to G-S type laws and they did not suffer a depression
    Why financial collapse happened:
    1.Community Re-investment Act gave rise to Fannie and Freddie(not free market institutions)
    2.Federal Reserve policies(central banking is a failed concept)
    3.onerous regulatory policy (SOX) that seriously depleted the number of companies going public. It had the effect of diverting investment from the business sector into the housing sector
    4.really bad intellectual property rules and regulations(businesses slowed R and D)
    5. The fed bailed out banks EIGHT times since 1980
    Here is a great article on point:
    http://www.forbes.com/sites/objectivist/...
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  • Posted by flanap 12 years ago
    Couple things, with all due respect and such...

    1) S&H costs are not comparable to sales taxes for two reasons:a) sales taxes do not enrich the vendor, but are revenues for the State; b) S&H costs are comparable to your expense to obtain the product from the brick and mortar establishment.
    2) The sales tax push for online is only a benefit for States and the fact that the Federal government is pushing for this is because they get to pilfer more of the States' revenues when they have more revenues.

    This will get signed into law most assuredly, just like other things folks never dreamed would happen like Obamacare and unemployment insurance.

    Follow the money back to the government as that is always where this crap goes.
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  • Posted by $ rockymountainpirate 12 years ago
    One of the two Dem senators (not capitalized on purpose) from my state will be voting against it. We don't have a sales tax and we have a budget surplus. As he said, our people will be forced to support states running at a deficit. Tester is usually lockstep with the party so this was surprising. .
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