How to bring capitalism back socially to the US?
Posted by XenokRoy 9 years, 8 months ago to Ask the Gulch
This subject came to me as something useful to have discussion about based on the thread in the link.
I have some ideas and some things I do within my teams I am a director over, but would love to hear what others are doing to overcome an entitlement social conditioning in the US.
My teams in India (and in past companies China) are very committed to getting the task done. It is not so much the same way here in the US.
I have some entry level technical jobs here in the US. I hire out of college, and often a year or two before they finish college. The kids I hire, many of them for their first Job are generally good workers. In the 22-25 range they often do not even care about making more money, they want to work 40 hours and leave work behind. Getting the job done has far less meaning to them than the time away from work.
In contrast my India team will get the job done but lack the creative minds to tackle problems on there own. If I give them a great procedure they get it done, but they seem to lack the creative capability of US staff.
How do you get the US staff to work like the India staff, and the India staff to be creative like the US staff?
I have some ideas and some things I do within my teams I am a director over, but would love to hear what others are doing to overcome an entitlement social conditioning in the US.
My teams in India (and in past companies China) are very committed to getting the task done. It is not so much the same way here in the US.
I have some entry level technical jobs here in the US. I hire out of college, and often a year or two before they finish college. The kids I hire, many of them for their first Job are generally good workers. In the 22-25 range they often do not even care about making more money, they want to work 40 hours and leave work behind. Getting the job done has far less meaning to them than the time away from work.
In contrast my India team will get the job done but lack the creative minds to tackle problems on there own. If I give them a great procedure they get it done, but they seem to lack the creative capability of US staff.
How do you get the US staff to work like the India staff, and the India staff to be creative like the US staff?
In the meantime, I am not too busy to keep on reading about interesting things: current historical topics are Egyptian hieroglyphics (learning to read) and European paleogenetics. Also SF...just for the fun of it.
Jan
Good to know though. I would love to do that once I reach that age.
Thanks as I was not aware of it.
Jan
They apply for grants (having no other income than a part time psych professor - i mean swindler) which they easily qualify for. The grants pay the tuition costs (full tuition costs) and they pay half. University of Phoenix is rather pricey to attend at about 3k a month for post graduate work.
They make their welfare check and about 36k a year of grants to attend school forever.
I love knowledge, some of it just for knowing. I am a history bug and read quit a bit around history, but even that is largely to identify what they did right or what they did right or what they did wrong so that I can use it to do right more often myself. I would love to take classes of all kinds in my retired years. I would appreciate it as I would have earned it. It is my dream retirement and it really chaffs me to have someone do it who has not earned it on all of our dimes.
perhaps that makes sense, perhaps not, but it is definitely true for myself.
Jan
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It's an interesting book (if you enjoy such things as I do), written in 1939, but set in 2086. He foresaw a system that works much like our internet, but thought that travel to the moon would not have happened by 2086.
I also can see people cycling through those groups you describe within there life span. I also think you will have a group that is constantly educating themselves but have no plans for the use of the knowledge other than to get more of it. This I guess would fall into your 30% with hobbies that do not provide any value for exchange. I have a sister and her husband that do this today. It rubs me really wrong.
While actual machine intelligence is debatable, like the old joke about the mathematician, the engineer, and the blond, we will get 'close enough' to change our game. For example: robot driven delivery vehicles and farm equipment are probably doable today, certainly within a decade or so.
I envision a society wherein the baseline of non-working subsistence includes a house or apartment with utilities, HVAC, tv, computer, all food and clothes. And all this is provided by the robot workforce. I think that 20% of society will have no job at all (passive TV and gaming), 30% will have hobbies that do not exchange value, 30% will have hobbies that do provide value, and the remaining 20% will work for a living.
This image plays havoc with my personal philosophy...I am trying to come to terms with it.
Jan
When a person has pay that is not yet comfortable money is the major motivator. When a person is comfortable money looses some of its motivation power and autonomy becomes better. My team members have a great deal of autonomy in there work. Its something I really work to make sure exists, it is the secret to my success as a manager. Creating processes that provide autonomy for the individual what getting the group to move in the same direction.
It use to be that in that environment money would become a motivator again. That seems to be gone with the mid twenty workforce today so its time to look at different options for them.
This video refreshed some of those in my mind so thanks.
I do think we will constantly see a shift to the computer doing more of a job. For instance looking at code, the old Fortran had a person doing everything. C++ less as there were more built in function calls. C# much less, as getting a registry key went from about 23 lines of code to 1 in C#. Java even less.
I think it will always take a person to come up with the idea, but much of the code work needed to create that idea will be in a library, and will even reach the point where you provide a few perimeters and a system rights the code.
The game changer that could alter all of this is true AI being developed. If that ever happens I think we are much further from it than Ray Kurzah (spelling likely off) from Google thinks it will be.
The one good thing slowing the collapse... Economic indicators are not good again today. Many in the know are worried.
Respectfully,
O.A.
As long as we aren't just sitting in our parents basement playing with someones else's creativity (Video games etc.) while absorbing our parents retirement, but are being creative. I see too many doing just that. this is how we end up having an 18 trillion dollar national debt and an even larger amount of unfunded liabilities. Believe me, I am all for working for our leisure time. That is what we that are all working are striving for. The problem is that too many are not working or striving in the first place, but still riding in the cart while others pull. I have worked hard to increase productivity in my shop and I do employ robotics to do so. The problem is that too many others are not being creative; they are simply free-riders.
The economic facts don't lie. The worker participation rate and median household income reflect this premise.The government has made it easy to sit back and avoid creativity or labor.
Respectfully,
O.A.
I think you are correct insofar as where we are; I am less certain that you are correct with respect to where we will be in a decade.
Jan
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