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The Warmongers' Brawl

Posted by ycandrea 9 years, 3 months ago to Politics
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I kind of agree with David Stockman on this. Why does the GOP think we need to be involved in war all the time?


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  • Posted by scojohnson 9 years, 3 months ago
    We need to do what we do best, build and maintain a military that is 20 years ahead of all our adversaries, and restart science in America... We have pissed a lot of money away on medical, it's time to establish permanent colonies on the Moon, Mars, and mine the asteroid belt for precious resources.
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  • Posted by scojohnson 9 years, 3 months ago in reply to this comment.
    No, Congress attached it to a budget or something, it replaces the F16, Harrier, and the F14s, all were practically Vietnam era.

    You don't use F22s to bounce off a carrier deck in 30 foot seas, or close air support for ground troops, you use something a lot cheaper, he had no idea what he was talking about with it.
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  • Posted by davidmcnab 9 years, 3 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Michael, I expected better of you, as a Gulch member. Why does criticism of a right-wing entity automatically render the critic a leftie? I'm just as critical of socialism!
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  • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 9 years, 3 months ago in reply to this comment.
    what most of the right wing of the left are suggesting. Let's be honest about the two parts of a single party system and who controls it. Jusas the right wing of the left are Republicans In Name Only the left wingof the left are Democrats In Name Only and all of them are one form or another of Socialists.
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  • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 9 years, 3 months ago in reply to this comment.
    what most of the right wing of the left are suggesting. Let's be honest about the two parts of a single party system and who controls it.
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  • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 9 years, 3 months ago in reply to this comment.
    That's what you needed to say to begin with it wasn't very clear and like state of the union doesn't matter anyway.
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  • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 9 years, 3 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Wrong. What war you want to start with. WWI Democrat WWII Democrat Korea Democrat Vietnam Democrat Grenada, Panama and Kuwait Republican, Iraq Republican, Afghanistan Democrat. You got the last sentence right. Which is not to say the other party never voted for it. So fairly equally depends on who was in congress and who controlled the two houses Senators and Representatives. Now it matters not they all work for the DNC.
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  • Posted by scojohnson 9 years, 3 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Cancelled what, the set-asides? Oh no, he amplified the hell out of it. The ObamaCare website mess was awarded to an African female-owned business from Canada that didn't have much experience building websites, they just figured they would hire people that did. $500 million went down that rat hole until they cut bait and hired Accenture.

    Friend of mine works there, they had a new internal slogan for a while after that.. What does Accenture Do? A: We unfck your sht.
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  • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 9 years, 3 months ago in reply to this comment.
    You will be happy to know the fifty percent cut is well under way and the new plan is turn the draft switch back on and .....the girls get to sign up at 18 too.

    Cutbacks is anther word for get ready to spend a ton of money a few years later. As for large enough Arizona asked for 3,000 federal troops to protect NOT the border but the interior of the state where federal land has been ceded to the cartels. they were turned down but they also do not respond to call within federal property boundaries anymore.
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  • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 9 years, 3 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Why is it all of a sudden not a party issue You mean they are massive pork and supporting a cycle of economic repression against the citizens? You don't get them off the hook that easy. BOTH parties voted for that bill - that is to say both wings of the Government party did - and in no small quantities. It"s all about the parties and money and power. They aren't excused.
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  • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 9 years, 3 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Probably to ensure lots of donations to their campaigns and lots of board of director salaries afterwards.
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  • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 9 years, 3 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Yep and for the infantry it's a worthless piece of cery expensive garbage. Which I thought Obomba hade cancelled about six iyears ago.He lied about that too?
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  • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 9 years, 3 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Not good enough. The present war is Afghanistan II it is Obambas war just as Vietnam was LBJ's war and the debates are a joke. Left wing of the left and the right wing of the left. He pulled the troops out of Iraq and straight into Afghanistan. he gets this one on his legacy check list.

    As for the debates? What are you talking about They have less value than State of the Union or a Democrat voting for war. Five second life span. Less now the republicans aree a branch of the DNC.
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    Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 9 years, 3 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Iit leads straight to the DNC and all your left wing excuses are not going to change that. Now you prove me wrong. Just another shill for the left with that comment. I'm calling your bluff.
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  • Posted by 9 years, 3 months ago in reply to this comment.
    The Dean Stockman article I am referencing clearly is referencing the current Presidential debates and what most of the Republican candidates are suggesting.
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  • Posted by Herb7734 9 years, 3 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Utopian thinking.
    But, I like it. If we could get the majority of the power brokers in Washington to think objectively you'd be completely right. The country is broken and while a vast minority of people think rationally most do not An old rusty broken down car that runs is still better than walking if you need to go a distance. You can wish it to be nice, new and shiny, but it's not. Not the best metaphor but I'm sure you get the point.
    And.....that's no bullshit.
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  • Posted by $ TomB666 9 years, 3 months ago in reply to this comment.
    When have we not been at war?

    Why has congress spent billions on 3 new generation fighter aircraft when an F-15 has never been lost in combat?
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  • Posted by scojohnson 9 years, 3 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Not really, not with Native American, disabled Vet, small business preference, and disadvantaged/minority owned business preference on supplies and service contracts.

    Those guys get the research and dev stuff on ten and twenty year terms, they do fine war or peace, and we don't lose ships/planes/tanks to combat action, mostly to age or maintenance issues.

    Congress earmarks procurement to district areas to get a vote here and there, the Joint Strike Fighter seems to have pieces made in all 50 states for example.

    The downstream echo effect of defense spending is about the best thing we can do anyway, pave a road and you create a few jobs for a few months... Design a new fighter jet and you are talking 10s of thousands of jobs for decades, overseas sales, and technology spinoff and royalty revenue from the civilian sector.

    Those workers all spend money and pay taxes, the businesses in the towns they live in employ people and pay taxes.

    We also train a high tech and very capable future workforce through military service, I used to wonder where all the money for my paycheck came from when I was in the military, now I pretty much pay for a soldier every year on my own tax return, those skills and the income came from 6 years of service (and college).

    I'd be surprised if the government doesn't collect $2 in future taxes for every dollar it spends on defense.
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  • Posted by scojohnson 9 years, 3 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Not really even their own, they threw 10s of thousands of Red Army soldiers at Stalingrad, most without a weapon or ammunition to wear down the German defenses and Ammo supplies.
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    Posted by BuddyLama 9 years, 3 months ago in reply to this comment.
    You are a damned liar, FFall. Whose resources did we steal? Iraq's oil? NOT. Kuwait's oil? NOT. Perhaps we should have at least worked out a deal for those countries to repay us in oil or other resources for liberating them. So tell us, exactly whose resources has America been "stealing for centuries"?
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