Yes, they do have some good arguments there in the comments, especially the guy in the redwoods. A lot though, do mention the costs imposed in doing anything, (the redwood guy cannot thin because it is a 10,000 permit fee). Thats the stuff that breeds this situation.

Yep, but the smoke thickens:

https://www.cnbc.com/amp/2017/10/17/c...

Oh there are a lot of them, talk about code exemptions! Oregon is famous for the "hillside slider" exemption, and every winter, rich houses go tumbling down hills.Stupid is, as stupid does.

Bang?

The first time I ever saw a California beach-side home built on stilts I laughed my tail off.

Me dino rarely hears thunder during a drought.
I'm not saying a storm can come along that fails to break the drought.
I can remember one of those rare occasions. Wildfires were burning before that dinky thunder shower came and still burning after it left.

This thread is 6+days old but still alive.
Here is a good site to look at- strongly recommended.

https://wattsupwiththat.com/2017/10/1...

The paper referenced is not so 'hot' being typical academia,
but the comments are very good. There is experience from all along the
US and Canadian west coast and Australia as well.

What I did not know before was that there is much eucalyptus on the west coast.
Eucalyptus is an Australian species with peculiar characteristics. At high temperature the
tree explodes spreading fire in all directions a good distance. The leaves that cover the
ground burn fast, the timber burns hot and long. All this is good for the environment!
The seeds need fire to germinate, the forest re-grows.

The native peoples knew what to do- they lit fires just after the winter rains,
this burnt off excess fuel and regenerated the forest at the same time. Any
fires that then started in summer could be locally dangerous but not disastrous.

When whitey arrived they learned from this. But now, the greens are against what
we call controlled burns. Governments submit and do not follow their own codes,
the result, in the heat of summer when fires cannot be stopped there are large scale
fire disasters, property damage and loss of life.

Yes! Every sentence in Stormi's post deserves a point.

Here, the greens/viros/ progressives hold trees as sacred, they prevent clearing to remove fuel and to make fire breaks.
The result is massive fires, the energy stored in dead leaves, decayed and even living vegetation is immense. Once ignited, a burning forest can not be put out by spraying water.
Disaster prevention can only be from forethought, the control and clearing of vegetation.

'Nature, to be commanded, must be obeyed. '

Indeed, I have to get the historical lightning data, as that was the original excuse. But if Lightning is cause, then they are incompetent for not deploying a bunch of small units to go to each site to ensure it does not burn, no?

Exactly. There is still a difference in the whole management of it out there, Kalifornia is so restrictive a lot of common sense brush removal is forbidden because it is habitat for this, that and the other. That causes a lot of the mess.

When it seems weird like that, always think of~no, count on~at least one arsonist scooting about in a motorized vehicle.
Pathetic sicko trips off on~
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-dJol...
~imagining his cowardly matches wields the power of a mighty warrior's sword.

It seems something was weird in the way the fires all started in less than a few hours in many places.

How any of them can say "climate change" without breaking up is a mystery. Climate has naturally changed since the beginning of time! People adapted to it, not tried to control it, like some little gods. The UN goal, promoted by Hillary when she was first lady, is to move everyone into inner city high rises without cars. Disaster striking outside that setting, more cause to promote the control they want. Then there are the morons who build on land prone to mudslides, the Calif. mentality. But making the fires hotter are the thousands of uncleaned forest floors, perfect fro spreading fires. We live with a woods behind us, and we clean it out, both for drainage control, and to make sure we control burn all the stuff that might be fodder for lightning strikes. It is just common sense, except for people who never took science in college, and think they can reapeat UN talking points as fact.

There were fires all around Birmingham during a drought during the late 80s. Recall two firebugs being arrested.

I was through Wolf Creek Pass a few weeks ago touring the local Steam Locomotive scenery and noticed that there are a significant amount of dead evergreens. Whole mountaintops were completely dead, while the rest of the forest was contained between 1/3 and 1/2 dead trees; probably due to pine beetles.
With mile after mile of dead trees, I increasingly thought that there was a lot of money just sitting there waiting to become a forest fire instead of being turned into products.

Ecology is sexy. If you seek approval, be ecology conscious. Warn of climate change, and see to it that strict laws are passed making sure that in every single case, the side that benefits the environment is supported.and wins out. Well sure, the contradictory laws and regulations may endanger your $900,000 to $2,000,000,000 home, but especially now in the dry season. What the hell, you can't complain. You'll be thought of as a (gulp!) conservative. If you ever meet George Clooney, what would you say to him.?

The climate has been changing for billions of years so obviously it will take lots more of other peoples money, time and resources to fix the problem. And leftists will not stop until the climate is unchanging.

Well, maybe we should just have a defensive capability. If they come after us, we are capable of defense. In todays world, this means a really good missile defensive (star wars) system, good cyberdefense, etc. But no offensive wars to liberate countries like iraq and afghanistan. We should be known for minding our own business unless we are messed with. A few nice nukes that we could use if needed to annihilate a recurring enemy like N Korea would be a good idea too.

The rest of our federal government I am not sure we need.

We here in rural south Georgia have been control burning for decades. The only fire we every have to deal with is when the Okefenokee Swamp gets dry every 25 years or so, but that fire is healthy for the swamp. You get 5 years of leaves on the ground, and you are asking for a forest fire.

I am just a country bumpkin and we don't often get a lot of serious forest fires here in the southern NY Catskills. Where ever they do occur I must admit it does wonders for the area. 2 years after a good fire the woods are back alive the way they had not been for many years. All the ground cover and trash is mostly gone and new growth is all over plus the critters love it. I think they call it nature doing it's job.

Look at Sea breeze during Sandy, whole place burned because of close packed houses and no fire suppression available.

True, and the Eco terrorist no tree shall be harmed, does not make for a good management system, but a lot of it is just common sense management of brush and small trees of no commercial value. The brush is the fuel for these things. There was a video I added that proved that, they saved their house by clearing around it, if you add metal roofs and spray systems on the outer houses, 90% would have not burned, I believe.

Perfect idea, but how to frame it, codify it, and implement it? How does it get defined? Almost everything (including defense) could be said to be there. We run into the problem they did in 1812, when they had small forces because they did not fund a military, and the National bank was broke. How would we deal with SS?

Those "six pack" low-density / zero lot-line subdivisions that the same global warming morons love, also went up like a single torch.

The real reason is there is far more forest acres than there were at the turn of the 20th century... we put the fires out now, so forests have grown much older, more dense, and substantially more dead or dying fuel on the floor of the forest than previous decades. The destruction of the timber industry in California hasn't helped either..

It should just be that the government cant take from one and give to another- period. That way the lobbyists are out of business and the swamp drains.