Non-religious Morality
Posted by DrZarkov99 6 years, 2 months ago to Philosophy
Many in the gulch are non-religious, so I thought this concept would instigate some interesting discussion. Humans are social animals, which is the study's premise.
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That one is incredibly dangerous because it puts your actions subservient to another's (often unknown) desires. This is at the heart of the current gender confusion laws that are now criminalizing (even absent intent) calling someone by anything other than their desired "gender".
Today the poor have cell phones, dishwashers, clothes dryers, big televisions, and access to many "social justice" services that provide so much more to them than our middle class could have imagined. Class envy is just one more weapon used to tear our society apart.
I have liberal relatives who are well off, but seething with anger over the lot of conservative billionaires. They fall all over themselves to support wealthy liberals, because they claim to support "the people." When I bring up statistics and point to the fact that the conservatives do more to support charities and help the poor, they attribute that as an attempt to improve their otherwise "evil" image. I sadly have to conclude that as is often said, liberalism is a mental illness.
Imagine over 50% of the country thinking they are entitled to other peoples wealth while they sit back and relax, and applying their wants to golden rule collectively.
I was going to mention that but you beat me by 20hours!
I doubt that statistics bear out that statement. The implied criticism does not consider:
1) the new mega fortunes are largely the result of creativity and effort (and luck) producing goods and services that are purchased by people, voluntarily, people who think the purchase benefits them. The purchasers are often the poorest.
2) Whether the statement is true or not, the poor are much richer than they were, and the poorest are numerically in decline as they rise economically.
3) There is evidence that the efforts of those new mega-onaires helps lift the poor economically.
So, that New Atlas article has low cred.
As for reciprocal altruism, I suggest that ideology prevents the authors from using a better term, trade.
1) I will have nothing to apologize for if I treat people the way I want to be treated. If I treat a person like crap because he/she deserves it, then that is beneath my dignity. I would rather, as Roark says, "not think of" them.
2) Sometimes people want to be treated so much better than anyone has a right to be treated that it would require sacrifice on my part. See CBJ's comment regarding "I want to be subsidized so I don't have to work".
I always thought that this idea had a slight collectivist bent. We are all individuals. The way others want to be treated is not necessarily the way you would want to be treated, and vice versa. A better, but more difficult moral rule, would be to treat others the way they want to be treated.
“In an age where the world is plummeting towards a giant division between those in poverty and multibillionaires, Pigliucci asks whether it is morally good to respect the rights of those who hoard massive volumes of resources.
"But surely we should respect other people's property," Pigliucci writes. "Well, it depends. If it is acquired unethically, even if legally, no, I don't think there is any such moral requirement. If your wealth is both disproportionate and arrived at by exploiting others (and let's be frank, if it is the former, it can hardly not be the latter), then it is just and fair to pass laws to relieve you of much of that burden, through proportional taxation, for instance.”
“Another example comes with the moral rule of social reciprocation. This moral foundation underpins the idea of reciprocal altruism, or simply put, treating others how you would like to be treated.”