Add to that, the fudging of numbers and WALA!...we get the current situation...

The only year I got a flu shot was about 15 years ago. I had the two worst flus I ever had by far, including one only a few days after the shot.

Where did you see that? NFW!

If that's the choice, give me the virus, and I'll take my chances. I bet there is a mass exodus to my side of the fence.

There have been people throughout the ages fascinated with the mechanisms of death. The only way to eliminate this stuff is for people to learn and exhibit the morality of equality.

If only the chinese and the USA coounterparts (Fouci is in the thick of this) would just stop messing with this stuff

Splendid! Now we are hearing we may have to do 'distancing' through 2022 or 2025. Really?

The common influenza virus has over 10,000 known mutations - which is why the vaccines only attempt to target the top 3 or 4 scientists think will be the prevalent ones that year. (Personally, I think its a nice little placebo because I've had better luck taking my chances. The only time I ever got a flu shot I immediately got the full thing and was out of work for three days.)

But a couple of other things to think about:
1) The Hong Kong protests were top news until COVID-19 created a distraction. And China was under the microscope for their handling of it. They also lost face (a huge deal in oriental circles) when the administrator for Hong Kong had to back off the new laws they were trying to use to crack down on dissent. What better way to identify and eliminate political agitators than under the cover of a disease outbreak, since China was roundly condemned for Tianenmen Square...
2) The Trump trade deal is resulting in costly tarriffs.
3) Taiwan's elections were also scheduled for this year...
4) China has long been testing its expansion into control of the South China Sea, including Taiwan, the Phillippines, Vietnam, and more...

Throw in the fact that China's secrecy and destruction of evidence over this entire thing smacks of culpability and this is really just China declaring war on the World. I just hope the World has the guts to answer them definitively.

Some of us have had the flu 4 times and we think this Coronavirus occurred strangely in an election year. Think about it.

Agreed. Better to get it over with than pretend an economic shutdown is going to solve the problem.

Mike Obama...LOL

The media has really hosed up people's understanding:
- Everyone is eventually going to be exposed.
- The reason for the isolation/distancing/etc is to avoid overloading the health care system
- The only delta related to one's survival is whether or not they get a vaccine or significantly better treatment before they are exposed. Otherwise, the results are going to be what they are going to be.

We are all getting it. There is no putting it back in the box, and we aren't wearing masks or hiding at home forever (at least I'm not).

While the lab definitely needs to be shut down, it needs to be those running the lab and supporting it which are more critical than the buildings themselves. In particular the researchers...

It absolutely should be noted that this is the Communist government of China which is responsible and not necessarily the people themselves. The problem is that with the largest standing army in the world, effecting regime change is going to be difficult unless their military participates in overthrowing the existing government. One thing which I think many people were not aware of is that the Communist Party Leadership actually replaced the military head not so long ago, probably as a pre-emptive measure...

what does bother me a bit is that the chinese people that we have done business with have high integrity , make quality goods, and seem like very nice people. Too bad they let their evil government take their money and attack the world with it

I would go for the legal action and the freezing of their assets, such as their purchases of US treasure securities. Outright war is not a great idea, but my first reaction would be a targeted cruise missile attack on the wuhan lab (but that would probably release a lot of new and terrible viruses in the explosion !!)

My thoughts are for everyone in the world to stop doing business with them. Their entire economy is built on exports and devalued currency. If the entire world (minus those countries like Iran and North Korea) embargo everything from China, their economy will collapse, offering an opportunity for democratic/republican reforms.

Barring that, the idea already floated by several nations is to sue China for abrogating the infectious disease treaty and suing for reparations. That would likely be realized in the seizing of Chinese assets all over the world and also likely causing their bankruptcy.

Last is of course military recourse.

I dont trust these people either. When people get power, it seems they use it at the expense of everyone else. In any event, research to produce new more dangerous viruses is an act of war in itself. Should we just wait until they make one that is specific to certain groups so that these groups will give in until they get an antidote?

Given the degree of hidden agendas and lying that is prevalent today, the most reliable eevidence seems to be to look at who benefits from whatever happens.

Trouble with this is that if the chinese are allowed to continue this research into novel and more dangerous virus, it will just happen again. The world needs to put sufficient pressure to stop this kind of unnecessary research

Testing is the key essential in determining who has it and who doesn't. Some of the commentary on-line and scientist/doctors stating that viruses have been here before humans. they surmise that humans have developed immunity over the million of years of time. Some are carriers, others having natural immunity to this virus.

Thank you for the post. I suspect once the whole drama plays out we will find this was an over reaction for another agenda. My question is: will government shut us down for the flu season next year given 61, 000 people died from flu during the 2018 -2019 flu season? This worries me far more that the risks of being alive.

Yes, EXCEPT that the specificity of Antibody tests for THIS virus vs. another corona virus is debatable.

ALSO, only 11% of those with symptoms being tested in FL are testing positive for CV... But this is supposedly the test for the virus.

So, EITHER the virus mutated enough that it isn't showing up, or the test sucks, or, in FL we have only about 0.10% of our population who has seen this virus... I would assume MORE have seen it. About 1% of the state has been tested with 89% being negative.

But we should have been collecting blood for the antibody tests!

I had already heard of the half million dollar CDC grant, working on this virus in China. Then Tucker Carlson said the figure was $3.5 million US funds in the research in China. Now, how much of that was US agencies, and how much US industrialists? Iwonder if Gates was one, as he would love his vaccine company would have a jump start. He has said on camera one time in a conference on the need to reduce world population, he transitioned with the phrase, vaccines are the way to go. I don't trust him, the WHO, the Inst. for Allergy and Infectious Disease, too many oligarchs and one worlders who fee regular peopel are expendable.

Yeah - cool!

I thought so. Notice there is no accounting for the numbers of 'recovered'? Like I said, 'Let's wait for the other shoe to drop.'