The Second-hand Science of Thorium fission power production
Posted by Doug_Huffman 4 years, 9 months ago to Science
Can anyone here defend thorium fission power production from their own knowledge? Or liquid metal cooled / fueled fission reactors?
Is it all stale second-hand dreams from years gone by?
There has not been a successful thorium fueled fission power plant. There are only plans in development for thorium based power production.
The Japanese experience with Monju near Tsuruga NPP epitomizes molten metal cooling.
Ayn Rand on Second-handers, from The Fountainhead.
“That, precisely, is the deadliness of second-handers. They have no concern for facts, ideas, work. They're concerned only with people. They don't ask: 'Is this true?' They ask: 'Is this what others think is true?' Not to judge, but to repeat. Not to do, but to give the impression of doing. Not creation, but show. Not ability, but friendship. Not merit, but pull.
What would happen to the world without those who do, think, work, produce? Those are the egotists. You don't think through another's brain and you don't work through another's hands.
When you suspend your faculty of independent judgment, you suspend consciousness. To stop consciousness is to stop life. Second-handers have no sense of reality. Their reality is not within them, but somewhere in that space which divides one human body from another. Not an entity, but a relation--anchored to nothing.
That's the emptiness I couldn't understand in people. That's what stopped me whenever I faced a committee. Men without an ego. Opinion without a rational process. Motion without brakes or motor. Power without responsibility. The second-hander acts, but the source of his actions is scattered in every other living person. It's everywhere and nowhere and you can't reason with him. He's not open to reason. You can't speak to him--he can't hear. You're tried by an empty bench. A blind mass running amuck, to crush you without sense or purpose.
Steve Mallory couldn't define the monster, but he knew. That's the drooling beast he fears. The second-hander.” “I think your second-handers understand this, try as they might not to admit it to themselves. Notice how they'll accept anything except a man who stands alone. They recognize him at once. By instinct. There's a special, insidious kind of hatred for him. They forgive criminals. They admire dictators. Crime and violence are a tie. A form of mutual dependence. They need ties. They've got to force their miserable little personalities on every single person they meet.
The independent man kills them--because they don't exist within him and that's the only form of existence they know. Notice the malignant kind of resentment against any idea that propounds independence. Notice the malice toward an independent man. Look back at your own life, Howard, and at the people you've met. They know. They're afraid. You're a reproach.” [Edited, whitespace for readability] (The Fountainhead by Ayn Rand. Kindle edition from Plume 1971)
Is it all stale second-hand dreams from years gone by?
There has not been a successful thorium fueled fission power plant. There are only plans in development for thorium based power production.
The Japanese experience with Monju near Tsuruga NPP epitomizes molten metal cooling.
Ayn Rand on Second-handers, from The Fountainhead.
“That, precisely, is the deadliness of second-handers. They have no concern for facts, ideas, work. They're concerned only with people. They don't ask: 'Is this true?' They ask: 'Is this what others think is true?' Not to judge, but to repeat. Not to do, but to give the impression of doing. Not creation, but show. Not ability, but friendship. Not merit, but pull.
What would happen to the world without those who do, think, work, produce? Those are the egotists. You don't think through another's brain and you don't work through another's hands.
When you suspend your faculty of independent judgment, you suspend consciousness. To stop consciousness is to stop life. Second-handers have no sense of reality. Their reality is not within them, but somewhere in that space which divides one human body from another. Not an entity, but a relation--anchored to nothing.
That's the emptiness I couldn't understand in people. That's what stopped me whenever I faced a committee. Men without an ego. Opinion without a rational process. Motion without brakes or motor. Power without responsibility. The second-hander acts, but the source of his actions is scattered in every other living person. It's everywhere and nowhere and you can't reason with him. He's not open to reason. You can't speak to him--he can't hear. You're tried by an empty bench. A blind mass running amuck, to crush you without sense or purpose.
Steve Mallory couldn't define the monster, but he knew. That's the drooling beast he fears. The second-hander.” “I think your second-handers understand this, try as they might not to admit it to themselves. Notice how they'll accept anything except a man who stands alone. They recognize him at once. By instinct. There's a special, insidious kind of hatred for him. They forgive criminals. They admire dictators. Crime and violence are a tie. A form of mutual dependence. They need ties. They've got to force their miserable little personalities on every single person they meet.
The independent man kills them--because they don't exist within him and that's the only form of existence they know. Notice the malignant kind of resentment against any idea that propounds independence. Notice the malice toward an independent man. Look back at your own life, Howard, and at the people you've met. They know. They're afraid. You're a reproach.” [Edited, whitespace for readability] (The Fountainhead by Ayn Rand. Kindle edition from Plume 1971)
SL-1 jerked one rod. K-431 pulled the whole head too far. A co-worker was on the fated SL-1 crew but called in sick with the sniffles. He taught me (a placard over his desk) “Ask your own questions. Find your own answers.”. A tip o’ the hat to Ed.
Reactivity control was a primary job.
Aboard ship, I sat the conformal array as a nuke, with two initial detections to my credit.
http://www.hisutton.com/Alfa_Class_Su...
Seawolf did have a Sodium Plant, which Rickover decided was just not any good:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Sea...
The Soviet Project 705 Lira was called by NATO ALFA not Alpha differentiated from Beta as I expected.
Further, two different reactor power plants were used in the ALFA Class, both Lead-Bismuth cooled fast reactors. They were maintained hot shutdown in port on shorepower. One may have burned during refueling but not due to SODIUM!
YOU may be mistakenly thinking of K-431 / 31 ECHO Class Project 675 in October 1985 that suffered a refueling accident.
Stress is force per area. Strain is change in length per length.
https://www.taiwannews.com.tw/en/news...
Democracy is the failure of leadership.
Re Russians. They don't care about safety like we do. Chinese are the worst.
https://www.space.com/40479-space-nuc...
Have you a reference for the use of thorium for long term space travel? I have not seen anything about that potential use of thorium.
Liquid metal reactors work just fine. Several have been built. A couple have been to sea. They work great, except for some material challenges. Very power dense.
Second Hand:
(I think) Thorium reactors work fine too. There is just no stomach for their development. I have studied them, and have a rudimentary understanding. However, although I am very technical, I can not commit the effort to making that first hand knowledge.
Thank you for your service. USN SS ‘69 - ‘75
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