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Has the time come for a real Galt's Gulch? If the worst should happen in November.

Posted by $ servo75 4 years, 6 months ago to Going Galt
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If the worst should happen, and the Democrats get power again (which let's be honest, will happen eventually even if we successfully delay the inevitable in 2020), I think we have to give serious consideration to some semblance of Galt's Gulch. Even Rand knew such a place in real life would be completely fantastical, yet we have advantages that Galt and Mulligan didn't have, such as the ability to organize online and recruit thousands if not millions of people where Galt had to do so one at a time.

I started thinking about this when Bill Whittle made a Stratosphere Lounge video talking about a "Plan B" should the worst happen this November. He used the analogy that if you were on a ship and a child went overboard, you'd jump in to save him/her. If you found yourself attached to an anvil, you know it's going down no matter what so you cut yourself off from it. The talk was a little rambling but he then mentioned geographic segregation, even the possibility of moving to one state like Texas or New Hampshire (has to be a state with an international border and/or coastline), and seceding.

I say this only PARTLY tongue in cheek - it's not a literal suggestion or an attempt to start such a movement... yet. But it's something to think about. We prepare for every other potential emergency in life. A socialist takeover of our government is bigger than any other emergency I can think of so shouldn't we have a plan in place? You can rebuild after a hurricane or earthquake. What the Democrats are proposing is incurable. It will eventually fail and there will be a call for more market and other freedom, but the situation would get far worse before it gets better. I keep saying the only way mask laws will EVER end, vaccine or no, is mass resistance. May be the same for our nation as a whole. Because like Bill Whittle's analogy, a Democrat victory in November is a sign that the ship is no longer salvageable, that the American populous, maybe America itself, is too far gone to save. So salvage what you can and cut ourselves from the anvil.


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  • Posted by eckert16 4 years, 6 months ago
    2020 Wyoming-where liberty is taken seriously...consider doing a quick read of this novel that inadvertently explores the domestic implementation of a Gulch.
    Book Title: Malon Labe!" ISBN 1-888766-07-7
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  • Posted by VetteGuy 4 years, 6 months ago in reply to this comment.
    That's one of the reasons I avoid Atlanta like it was full of the plague. Oh Wait .... ;-)
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  • Posted by term2 4 years, 6 months ago in reply to this comment.
    You can "hide in plain sight" as long as you dont raise too many suspicions about being rich or too conservative.
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  • Posted by term2 4 years, 6 months ago in reply to this comment.
    The days of expressing yourself honestly are rapidly coming to a close. Wear a MAGA had and see what happens. You have to be very careful these days NOT to upset the BLM people, or you risk being beaten up
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  • Posted by term2 4 years, 6 months ago in reply to this comment.
    what you are suggesting is 'hiding in plain sight" within a collectivist society. I agree with this as being a more likely scenario moving forward.
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  • Posted by term2 4 years, 6 months ago
    I would move to Texas if it seceded. I wonder if the collectivists would ALLOW Texas to secede without military intervention as in the first american civil war. There would be at a minimum a lot of travel restrictions and other economic restrictions on trade with an errant state. If we look at the treatment Trump is getting from the left, imagine how they would treat a state like Texas.
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  • Posted by Idiocracy42 4 years, 6 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Irma in 2017. We lived right on the beach in Melbourne Beach (lovely, semi-isolated area). We had to evac for Irma, gas shortage, traffic etc... 17 hours to Atlanta! Glad we lived there; more glad to be in Tex.
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  • Posted by Eyecu2 4 years, 6 months ago in reply to this comment.
    My wife and I are in the Houston area and are doing similar things to what you are talking about. I am curious about the area of Florida that you are referring to as we left central Florida (Lakeland) in 07 not to long after the hurricanes of 05.
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  • Posted by trailsRus 4 years, 6 months ago
    Greetings fellow gulchers. I am a long time follower but rare commenter. This topic is the one that interests me the most, considering my situation. I own an historic 8-generation family farm, acquired 185 years ago directly from the homestead estate of the first governor and an original settler. We are in a rural area but too close to a suburban/urban center in a deep blue state with progressive supermajorities in both houses. No, not CA, but the same insane policies which have been driving out business and jobseekers for years, while attracting "educated" (indoctrinated) urban out-of-staters whose policies are even worse or further entrenched. But for taxes and regulations, we are easily self-sufficient here. And if not for the upcoming 9th generation and feeling an obligation for keeping the land intact, spouse and I would probably bug out to somewhere more remote.

    I try to take comfort in the fact that there must be places like ours that survived the revolutionary and civil war periods, but that is tempered by today's advanced mobility and surveillance technology, beyond being overrun by looters. Knowing that so many of my neighbors are flaming liberal socialists who would be among the first ones looking for help doesn't help, but I see the government and its enforcers as the bigger threat...catch 22.
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  • Posted by Eyecu2 4 years, 6 months ago
    I understand that you are being somewhat tongue in cheek but I have personally taken this seriously.. I don't believe that there is any place that we could go, because if we did they would follow us. I have therefore retreated to a very rural area outside a major metropolitan area. So that i can still work for a decent wage and yet live as I see fit. There are trade offs. For instance I am having to play along with this entire COVID BS and wear a mask. Though I may soon change careers to get away from that as well.

    I really think that the closest that we can ever come to true the Gulch will be what we currently have here. As we are free to express ourselves honestly and still move about within their society and hopefully influence some few of them to see the light. At least that's what I have been doing as a High School teacher.
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  • Posted by freedomforall 4 years, 6 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I have the same observations in this semi-rural area.
    On the other hand, a drive through Atlanta would likely be filled with Biden-Kamaliar yard signs and pealing Obama bumper stickers.
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  • Posted by $ Snezzy 4 years, 6 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Long ago, when Rand was answering the question, "Is Atlas Shrugging?" with the suggestion that it's not yet time, and the Libertarians were trying to be Gulchers and failing at every step (Republic of Minerva comes to mind), I wondered what an actual John Galt would resemble. Activist people who proclaimed their Libertarianism or Randism were laughably inept. Where was John Galt?

    I now think I know the answer.
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  • Posted by dansail 4 years, 6 months ago
    The true Gulch concept in Atlas Shrugged was based on fictitious factors (a power supply that taps energy from atmospheric static electricity, minting their own gold coin, hiding the entire community under a screen of invisibility) that make it unrealizable. That being said, there are other ideas in this thread that seem more feasible.

    I can only imagine that willingly withdrawing from certain aspects of society/civic life can be helpful. Perhaps being able to only do business with other 'Gulchers' is sustainable as well, without having to give up home and hearth. This wouldn't be the first time there's been a secret society.

    The idea here is to be as productive as possible without having looters take what's not theirs.
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  • Posted by $ prof611 4 years, 6 months ago
    After President Trump wins the 2020 election, the Democratic party will cease to exist. They will not have anyone left. The elite members will have completely lost the Federal Reserve, and thus will no longer have any power. The other members will finally support our President.
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  • Posted by VetteGuy 4 years, 6 months ago
    As other commenters have noted, your best bet is probably an 'individual Gulch'. Rural areas in southern states would be a good place to look, if you are able to move. The people surrounding you will rarely call themselves Objectivists, but based on the number of Trump signs I see on my road trips, they are not fans of socialism.
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  • Posted by freedomforall 4 years, 6 months ago
    Getting independently minded people to make such a decision makes herding cats seem as easy as tic-tac-toe.

    Getting people to leave their homes for a far away land is a decision that will make many rational people favor the familiar and convenient chains over possible freedom.

    If the left takes control, any attempt at secession will be met with military force that will make Lincoln's war a triviality.

    The same response will occur to any geographically focused resistance, e.g., a refusal to trade. How many farmers were sent to the gulag before farmers became more compliant in the USSR? Compliant is not competent or productive, and many more died of cirrhosis and starvation than went to the gulag. Either "peaceful resistance" choice leads down the same road to serfdom and the death of American freedom.

    There is no easy answer and no path to freedom without great sacrifice.
    Not many people are mentally prepared to make such a sacrifice. If the electricity goes off, surrender will be immediate for all but the most prepared. The great majority are lost when their smart phones lose connections.

    Whatever is done must be geographically decentralized, extremely simple to do, and extremely difficult for the state to interfere with. The only thing that I can think of that has any chance of having an effect on the enemy is a consumer strike against large corporate products and a return to local trade. Even this may be a bigger sacrifice than 90% are willing to make.

    There is no safety for pigs in a pig farm.
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  • Posted by Idiocracy42 4 years, 6 months ago
    It takes time, money and will to create a gulch, even a small one like mine that is far from ready. I don’t see any feasible way to build a “real/community gulch” without years of planning and coordinating. After a bad hurricane experience in Florida, my husband and I started on our plan – moving out to nowhere(ish) and learning, learning, learning. (A year ago I’d never heard of a hog ring and would have been wrong had I taken a guess).

    The best I think we can do is each create our own gulch and, if we are fortunate, avoid proximity to the looters. My limited experience says that looters are not congregating in remote farming areas, so the chances are fair that you and your neighbors are busy tending to the livestock, fencing, crops and blisters, instead of rioting or binge-watching the latest pap on Netflix.

    (BTW, I have a giant crop of Central Texas rocks, if anyone is in the market. All ready for harvesting!!! 😊)
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  • Posted by $ Commander 4 years, 6 months ago
    Servo, there used to be lands afar...no longer.
    I have moved more rural, from a metro of 2.5 mil to a county of 75k. The bulk of the landmass is involved in primary trades of agriculture, forestry, mining and the immediate secondary and tertiary processes of these. People who are closer to the sources of their mortality make less assumptions than those distanced in larger cities. We are closer in community and all the natural supports that come from less anonimity. The rural areas "feed" the cities....we don't have to do this if the demand for control over our lives become too great...all we have to do is blockade the urban areas for a few weeks. We can adjust our rural lives to that of sustenance vs the belief that we must enjoin in the fictions of economics of the Metropolitans.

    There is no greater teacher of humility than a slack belly.
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