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  • Posted by $ allosaur 2 years, 10 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Had this conversation before. Someone no longer on this board once argued that Ayn Rand correctly contended that a baby is a fetus subject ot abortion until it is born and added, "It's that simple."
    Is it? There is something that did not occur to me back then. Premature births that do not enjoy the full span of a nine full months. Premature births that even required intensive emergency care have grown up to become productive citizens who father or mother children of their own.
    So what is a premature birth who manages to survive? A fetus or a baby? Well, I contend that it lies there hopefully able to cry outside of the womb-~breathing with a heart beating~ so therefore that's a baby. A human being baby who, in this country, has the same Constitutional rights as any other American baby for being a person.
    At what point does a baby, okay, call it still a fetus for being on the inside instead of the outside, becomes an individual with a human right to life? Such as a baby born prematurely? That's a question post Roe vs Wade states will have to deal with should abortion limitations be considered from state to state.
    And at what point does an abortion become a criminal murder or a justified homicide? The word homicide simply means the killing of a human being, by the way.
    So when does fetus or a baby become a human being. Nine months after conception when it pops out of mama? I don't think so.
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  • Posted by $ CBJ 2 years, 10 months ago in reply to this comment.
    You said earlier that you could not see how the Ninth Amendment should apply here. I replied with evidence showing why it should, citing the plain text of the amendment itself. The issue isn’t whether one “sympathizes” with women who have unexpected pregnancies, or whether abortion is “grotesque” or “sickening” – the issue is simply whether a woman has the moral right to terminate a pregnancy. If you disagree with Ayn Rand on this issue, then for the “sake of polite argument” you should spell out logically why you think she was mistaken, and why – based on Objectivist principles – you think abortion should not be a woman’s choice in a free society.
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  • Posted by $ allosaur 2 years, 10 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Me dino agrees with almost everything Ayn Rand has said and written. On this? Not so much.
    While I sympathasize with women who have unexpected pregnacies, it's my opinion that abortion is murder~~and as an industry a grotesque massacre of innocents with sickening slaughterhouses that sell baby parts.
    The Catholic Church says people should not use contraceptives. I don't agree with that at all! And that's only one of several reasons me an old dino became an ex-Catholic when I was age 20 or so.
    Way, way back them me dino was no Mr. Perfect but found condoms to be very cheap.
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  • Posted by $ CBJ 2 years, 10 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Okay, I read the sentence you mention, which states: “Sometimes, courts try to use the Ninth Amendment as a way to provide and enforce rights that are not actually talked about in the Constitution.” I think this reinforces the point I was making – that the Ninth Amendment should have applied in this case, in regard to the right to terminate a pregnancy. As I mentioned in an earlier post on this thread, Ayn Rand considered this to be a “moral right—which should be left to the sole discretion of the woman involved . . .”

    Ninth Amendment: "The enumeration in the Constitution of certain rights shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people.”
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  • Posted by $ allosaur 2 years, 10 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Me dino checked out the Ninth Amendment in one of my three little Constitution booklets the donation-seeking conservative groups have mailed me free over the last 10 or longer years.
    I could not see how the "Ninth Amendment should apply here."
    On my PC I found an interesting link if albeit for kids~~
    https://kids.laws.com/ninth-amendment
    Scroll down to "Modern Use of the Ninth Amendment"
    Read the second sentence, please, for the sake of polite argument.
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  • Posted by $ allosaur 2 years, 10 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Touche', mon ami! Thanks for having my back, too.
    Then someone else jumped in. Points could all again go south, though.
    What the hell? All me dino wrote is an honest personal opinion.
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  • Posted by $ allosaur 2 years, 10 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Me dino can kinda relate. The first syllable of my Swedish name is "Hed" but people want to spell it "Head."
    So I always spell my name when asked for it such as when I picked up my type 2 diabetes prescription medication at a CVS two days ago.
    One day while working at that prison for about 18 of 21 years, I found the start of my name spelled "Head--" on a day's work roster. I was all like "Aw, c'mon!"
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  • Posted by $ CBJ 2 years, 10 months ago
    Samuel Alito: “. . . rights regarding contraception and same-sex relationships are inherently different from the right to abortion because the latter (as we have stressed) uniquely involves what Roe and Casey termed 'potential life.'"

    Ayn Rand: “An embryo has no rights. Rights do not pertain to a potential, only to an actual being. A child cannot acquire any rights until it is born. The living take precedence over the not-yet-living (or the unborn).

    "Abortion is a moral right—which should be left to the sole discretion of the woman involved; morally, nothing other than her wish in the matter is to be considered. Who can conceivably have the right to dictate to her what disposition she is to make of the functions of her own body?"
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  • Posted by $ CBJ 2 years, 10 months ago in reply to this comment.
    RE: “Abortion is not mentioned in the Constitution period, you know, as an inalienable right.” Neither is gay marriage or contraception. Ninth Amendment should apply here.
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  • Posted by Dobrien 2 years, 10 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Having always had an O’ I can say it is a pain in the arse as some use it some don’t and they can’t find me and so on. Try an apostrophe, try leaving it out .
    Yes two capital letters O’B
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  • Posted by $ Markus_Katabri 2 years, 10 months ago
    I’m not as much Pro-Choice as I am Anti-Coercion. So there’s the rub.
    Seeing the hypocrisy on display by the Pro-Abortion camp is very mind blowing. Our Body’s our Choice, doesn’t mean what it used to mean before the mandates.
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  • Posted by $ allosaur 2 years, 10 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Yeah, can't stand to see a friend get messed with.
    Here I've gone to bat for the new monikers of people I don't even know.
    You may remember how I made friends with Suzane a number of years back.
    Threw such a dino hissy fit I risked getting kicked off the board.
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  • Posted by $ allosaur 2 years, 10 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Yeah, that's the one. "O'Keefe" and "Project Veritas" jogs me old dino memory. Completely forgot the "James" part.
    Worked off and on with an Officer Keefe at the prison. Now I wonder if his ancestral family to the "O'" off their surname to become more Americanized.
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  • Posted by $ allosaur 2 years, 10 months ago in reply to this comment.
    We may both end up cancelled by points. At least you'll know me dino had nothing to do with it.
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  • Posted by $ allosaur 2 years, 10 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Maybe that porno poster is beginning to engage. Bet he/she/it supports abortion.
    Besides, the selling of baby parts has been exposed by that guy (what's his name) who I understand still faces libtarded charges after secretly making an iPhone video of a Planned Parenthood banshee admitting to all that.
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  • Posted by Dobrien 2 years, 10 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Again Thanks , someone doesn’t like the fact that I expose the sale of freshly murdered Baby parts sold by Planned (destruction of) Parenthood.
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  • Posted by Dobrien 2 years, 10 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Thanks I suppose my commenting is enough to down vote, I stupidly thought the thread was about Bricks being left out for the neo NAZI’s that are so lovingly known as anti-fa.
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  • Posted by $ allosaur 2 years, 10 months ago
    Abortion is not mentioned in the Constitution period, you know, as an inalienable right.
    Therefore, any restrictions as well as its legality period is up to each state and the legal citizens within it to decide what's what.
    Good decision.
    Wondering if the Democrat majority of both houses will try to pack the Supreme Court now. That could pretty well kill the USA as we know it.
    Just read elsewhere that Dick's Sporting Goods will pay the travel expenses of any employee who wants an abortion. Free country. So is where you want to shop.
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  • Posted by Dobrien 2 years, 10 months ago
    The price of baby parts are up the limit on commodity boards.
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  • Posted by Dobrien 2 years, 10 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Lauren Bobert posted a photo of 30 pallets of bricks a block away from House office bldg. in D.C.
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