what do you call the murder of 50,000,000+ unborn children?

what do you call a bio-weapon attack from China, help by those in the United States that wanted Trump out of office BY ANY MEANS, including the murder of millions world-wide???

we have been in a Cold Civil War since at least 1968

go get a copy of Ann Coulters book:: Treason
it was written before she lost her grip and supported Romney (the traitor)

CM
here is a perfect example of a traitor

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zbiEY...

NY Governor Says Her Rights As Governor Trumps Constitutional Rights To Conceal Carry

Thanks, 25n. Enjoy your Labor Day, too.

I agree with all of this. Here are few thoughts related to your points.

“She also said, As to his neighbors, his rights impose no obligations on them except of a negative kind: to abstain from violating his rights.”
We do this with a nation-state with a monopoly on force, constitutional limitations, and democratic elections. I think, however, the very idea of a nation-state is becoming unnecessary. The word nation comes from the word native, but liberal democracy and respect for individual rights is an idea. I do not know future political structures should look like.

There was someone here with screen name ewv who said no political structure can maintain liberty if the population does not have a philosophy of liberty. I’ve come to believe that. I think Americans do have a strong philosophy of liberty compared to other places and times, but it’s far from the beacon of liberty I wish it were.

“Death to traitors” where the word traitor seems to be defined as “anyone who disagrees with my vision of this country”
We might expect his rhetoric if there had been a catastrophe, like a war with a vicious enemy that we’re at risk of losing. But at this time we’re having great prosperity. I think the motivation for the insanity is not disagreement. I think it’s a result of all the features of the new media, which give us more choice of content, which bring the NYT and conspiracy nonsense to the same screen, and which discourage people from getting together in real life. Not getting together in real life, causes loneliness, which causes people to bond around nonsense. I got this last idea from Senator Ben Sasse’s book Them, which goes into great detail.

“devolve into name calling”
My thought is the stupid name-calling has always been with us, but it didn’t get published, so you only heard if you spent time with children or childish people. I don’t know why they’re attracted to the works of Ayn Rand.

Dear FFA, I gave you a plus. Thanks. Happy Labor Day tomorrow. N

Okay people. If I must 'justify' anything I post, I'm leaving. I sometimes get very upset with what I see and hear and I admit I do lose my temper. I apologize to anyone I have offended. But, I'm going to say this. George Floyd was no angel. He didn't deserve all the recognition he got and I am 100% right about him and for that I do not apologize . People who praised him are nuts! By the way, his family may have been in Houston but he was raised right here in this town and benefitted greatly from being given a home by a very lovely, intelligent, well educated, lady who was a law professor. Unfortunately he fell into drugs and ruined his life.

"Tyranny is any political system (whether absolute monarchy or fascism or communism) that does not recognize individual rights (which necessarily include property rights). The overthrow of a political system by force is justified only when it is directed against tyranny: it is an act of self-defense against those who rule by force. For example, the American Revolution." - Ayn Rand

"Ask yourself why totalitarian dictatorships find it necessary to pour money and effort into propaganda for their own helpless, chained, gagged slaves, who have no means of protest or defense. The answer is that even the humblest peasant or the lowest savage would rise in blind rebellion, were he to realize that he is being immolated, not to some incomprehensible noble purpose, but to plain, naked human evil." - Ayn Rand

i can only give you a +1
would be more if i could

i had started a long post to him, going into the past treason and murder we have seen
(50,000,000+ innocent unborn murdered for example)
i deleted it as i am not sure he would understand

Look in the mirror and check your premises.

Are you assuming the obvious faults of those you support to those who disagree with the state tyranny that you appear to support?

Don't allow the lies, that the state media constantly broadcasts, create prejudices that interfere with your rational thought.

“The smallest minority on earth is the individual. Those who deny individual rights cannot claim to be defenders of minorities.” - Ayn Rand

“The man who refuses to judge, who neither agrees nor disagrees, who declares that there are no absolutes and believes that he escapes responsibility, is the man responsible for all the blood that is now spilled in the world. Reality is an absolute, existence is an absolute, a speck of dust is an absolute and so is a human life. Whether you live or die is an absolute. Whether you have a piece of bread or not, is an absolute. Whether you eat your bread or see it vanish into a looter's stomach, is an absolute.

There are two sides to every issue: one side is right and the other is wrong, but the middle is always evil. The man who is wrong still retains some respect for truth, if only by accepting the responsibility of choice. But the man in the middle is the knave who blanks out the truth in order to pretend that no choice or values exist, who is willing to sit out the course of any battle, willing to cash in on the blood of the innocent or to crawl on his belly to the guilty, who dispenses justice by condemning both the robber and the robbed to jail, who solves conflicts by ordering the thinker and the fool to meet each other halfway. In any compromise between food and poison, it is only death that can win. In any compromise between good and evil, it is only evil that can profit. In that transfusion of blood which drains the good to feed the evil, the compromise is the transmitting rubber tube.” - Ayn Rand

“A government is the most dangerous threat to man's rights: it holds a legal monopoly on the use of physical force against legally disarmed victims.” - Ayn Rand

"Make every allowance for errors of knowledge; do not forgive or accept any break of morality.” - Ayn Rand

there are none so blind as that close their own eyes to the realities of the world

When I first read Ayn Rand, the importance of the individual in her philosophy drew me in. At the root of everything is the individual’s right to exist. Rand said, “The right to life is the source of all rights.” She also said, As to his neighbors, his rights impose no obligations on them except of a negative kind: to abstain from violating his rights.“ Yet, it seems that some members of this forum vehemently object to the very existence of people who disagree with them. I know from experience that as soon as I say that someone will respond demanding that I cite examples. To you I say, review your own posts for those answers. In my time here, the ones who demand such proofs are the ones who can best provide them. Only someone who has made such comments himself has ever asked for proof of those comments. I will not waste my time citing your own comments back to you.

Nevertheless, there are some specific examples that come to mind as particularly disturbing. “Death to traitors” where the word traitor seems to be defined as “anyone who disagrees with my vision of this country” rather than as someone who has actually been found guilty of betraying this country. Calling for the execution of political figures. Whether it is meant literally or figuratively (and I have been given both justifications, interestingly by the same person in the same conversation), it is incendiary rhetoric to engage in. You may, of course, choose to say whatever you wish, as may I, but you cannot refuse to accept the consequences your words may have. Rand said, “ In a rational ethics, it is causality—not “duty”—that serves as the guiding principle in considering, evaluating and choosing one’s actions, particularly those necessary to achieve a long-range goal. Following this principle, a man does not act without knowing the purpose of his action.” So, assuming that those who are here have at least some understanding of rational thought and objectivism, I must assume that those who spout death wishes for others are doing so with some purpose.

To come to a site that is supposed to value rational thought and reason and see calls for violent action is disturbing. Rand herself was adamantly opposed to the initiation of force except in self-defense.

True self-defense.

You cannot justify your call for the initiation of force by simply saying that someone else did it first.

You cannot excuse it by saying it’s a figure of speech.

You have the freedom to do so, of course, but you cannot do so with any honesty and you cannot do so and still claim the title of Objectivist.

It saddens me to see conversations on here devolve into name calling as happens often. I had hoped that a forum dedicated to rational thought would provide many opportunities for rational discussion. Instead as time goes by, the number of posters continues to dwindle as the posts espousing conspiracy theories and violence grow.

Either you are an Objectivist or you are not. A is A.

And so, I will be seeking another forum on which to truly have rational discussions. I hope to see you there if that is what you also wish.

To those of you with whom I have disagreed, I respect your right to exist. I hope you will respect mine, but even if you do not, I am here.

To those of you who will try to insult, demean, or demand further answers from me, I simply shrug.