Oops sorry I "misgendered" you. I shall be banished. Funny I just learned that I default or assume people are male.

I do fall on the freedom side, but then, it's like a Darwinian society, and we have to protect ourselves from stoned drivers. So how free are we? If we say you are free to use pot, but not drive, we know many will drive anyway. And now we have lost freedom, because we might be killed by stoned drivers.

If I may say, she was a victim of too much freedom. We actually need less freedom now.

"Rules are what set us free." Even in The Gulch. There must be rules or it is chaos.

I heard on Coast to Coast AM with Bob Noories a concept that DNA is like a language, like this very alphabet we are using right now. The whole succession of A, T, G, C moving through organisms that survive could be just a transmission from....what to what? If life is just a message, who is doing the speaking, and who is listening? I didn't explain it very well...

Since when does one right "outweigh" another? And "sacrifice some of our personal freedoms for the sake of others?!!" This is the philosophical attitude I come here to get away from.

The problems cited on this thread were occurring long before pot was semi-legalized. Prohibition has created a massive amount of more serious problems, such as ruthless drug gangs, prison time for mere "possession", diversion of law enforcement resources from more serious crimes, and high rates of theft, embezzlement and armed robbery by addicts in order to support their habit.

The drug war has been a total failure. In the end, we can't save everyone from the consequences of their own decisions, nor should we be required to. We have the right to live in freedom, as long as we do not violate the rights of others. Period.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=04ulu...

Some day, even "He's off in Left field" will take on a new meaning. I bet soon the libtards will change the phrase. Ah that gun nut is off in Right field. Probably the goolag . com will steal it and popularize it as soon as I hit the Enter key....here goes...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GhxqI...

Real or not? At least funny.

But yes, drug users will destroy the 2nd Amendment, I mean the Government will use the excuse that guns must be eliminated because of stoned people---WHICH THEY ALLOWED AND ENCOURAGED.

(I'm not yelling at you Abaco. At the machine.)

Amen!!

One might be forgiven for thinking that annihilation of humanity is the ULTIMATE end game. Do it one way, (drug addiction), or do it another way (Covid vaxxes), for me (not thinking that humans are the ultimate expression of life) it's just another way to annihilate the human race.

And earth will go on. Who knows what species will ultimately prevail? Probably not humans.

This must have something to do with the new adage, "Two Wrongs Make a Right". A Pothead can legally carry a gun, but not legally drive a car? Now our laws are even getting screwed up, I know they aren't obeyed, but that's okay too, as long as your on the left.

Honestly, I'm more on the freedom side. :-) And not on the outlawed side. Even though I miss her (I'm her MOTHER :-) ) she has to make those decisions on her own. She married a 2X convicted guy (for transport across the Mexico-Texas line) and she knew what she was doing. The marriage didn't last, but the addiction....did. Thanks for your kind thoughts, though. I do appreciate them!

I knew an great guy (addicted to weed), who dated one of the prettiest women you've ever meet...

She broke it off, and the rumors were simple. After going out and doing anything, he had to get high (even before). And in that state, he simply could not perform, and could care less that he could perform... He was blissed out, so to speak.

As a 17 yo boy, I would have crawled through broken glass to get CLOSE to this "Goddess"...

It did NOT REGISTER. How could getting high, turn off such an innate desire. (He was 26, but still).

Well, I think there is a lot of truth to what this stuff does to you, and your drive.

20+ years later, he never married, he moved to Florida, to live with his mom, and work enough to pay for his weed habit. Never heard about him after that. He would have probably made a great father w/o the weed habit. He was a really decent person.

Wow, I remember the first time I ever even SAW weed....it was from a guy who trained drug dogs. It was thirty years later before I even smelled it. THAT I could have waited forever for. Nasty stink.

Sorry to hear about your daughter. They legalize it, and it hurts who it hurts. Many can use and not be sucked into the lifestyle, but many people do get ruined. That's why is should remain outlawed. IF we are to have a common "society" with a social safety net, THEN in this case and only this case, we must sacrifice some of our personal freedoms for the sake of others.

But if we are going to have a "you're on your own" society, well then by all means, smoke your head off, let the strong survive, let the weak fail.

But your daughter, that's on my mind. It should be illegal. Thie rights of a cancer patient to comfort do not outweigh the rights of a father to have a heathy daughter. I guess the same in reverse? Complex.

+1000! Yup! I read it, it is great.

I never thought to look up the etymology of Soma before. I found this:

soma
1 of 2
noun (1)
so·​ma ˈsō-mə
: an intoxicating juice from a plant of disputed identity that was used in ancient India as an offering to the gods and as a drink of immortality by worshippers in Vedic ritual and worshipped in personified form as a Vedic god

Etymology
Noun (1)

Sanskrit; akin to Avestan haoma, a Zoroastrian ritual drink, Sanskrit sunoti he presses out

Noun (2)

New Latin somat-, soma, from Greek sōmat-, sōma body

Exactly. It's the Idiocracy. It's a movie, it's at once hilarious, but also a little too true for comfort.

It's okay, we discuss, not argue. Apparently you picked a better place to live than I. There is one legal store and a few illegal ones here. The illegal ones apparentlyare behaving in a manner that does not offend the government. One or two were fined or closed, probably the rest are being extorted by the police to stay open! Who the hell knows.

Good. Plus, pot is still illegal federally, if I am not wrong. So it makes sense, but people who are not in their right mind have no business with a gun, and I am a STRONG pro-gun advocate.

Not intending to argue with you AT ALL because I do agree with you, but when I moved to Arizona, I expected to see/smell/hear of a lot more weed use than I have (so far, I have seen one pot store open, and no other signs at all). Recreational use is legal here.

To me it's kind of like alcohol. Anyone with any sense at all will not drink or smoke during hours when they need to be doing something. But again, I am surprised that there's not more open usage than I have seen.

Also, my daughter has experienced a very strong change of personality since she started using weed. That in itself makes me hate it passionately. I literally do not even know her any more.

Colorado was the first state to legalize it's use recreationally. They put the Police Force through a course to recognize Driving While High. I left Colorado and moved to Missouri but it is going legal everywhere now and I am scared of not what I do but what is everyone else doing.

I grew up around pot smokers and still to this day and at 71 years old I have the same tokers from early HS still just as stoned and even worse now with the higher potency stuff. Amazing some have actually survived all these years lost in space.

There is so much that can be said. But, it has already been said so why be redundant.

That's a good point. If you monkey with this stuff you hand the 2nd amendment back to the machine.

Sorry to hear that. Being a couch potato lowers testosterone from not exercising.

Contemporary society, via social acceptance, has made pot so potent it can cause serious harm.

Once a harmless recreational drug it now, because of its potency, can cause issues making it impossible for someone to hold down food. I know someone who encountered this using legal pot and the resolution was to stop entirely, which, IMO he never should have started anyway.

Side note: fed law prevents gun ownership for legal pot users.

Aldus Huxley - Brave New World https://www.amazon.com/Brave-New-Worl...

SOMA
What is soma in Brave New World by Aldous Huxley? In the context of the novel, soma is a recreational drug that several of the main characters take throughout the story. The government in Brave New World strongly encourages individuals to take soma as a way to increase the happiness and complacency of the population. Soma can be taken as a pill or as a powder and can also be released as an aerosol. It is freely available to everyone in the novel. Its inclusion in the text is central to the novel's themes of complacency and resistance in society as well as the theme of escapism.

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