"Ignore 2 ignore 4 ignore 9 ignore 10. "
And ignore the spirit of 3. Very disgraceful.

I will take you up on that!

Jan

"religious dogooders" is an oxymoron.

I wish you luck. You can just call me the permanent designated driver. ;)

The reason why is simple, and social. I learned from my parents that alcohol was something that was served with dinner or at a social gathering. It was an aspect of elegance and interesting conversation. I drank alcohol in these settings since I was six years old (heavily watered and in a tiny tiny glass). As a result, I never had the 'binge til you drop' attitude towards alcohol that many (/most) other young people had.

It is not a question over whether or not a teenager will drink - they are going to do this. But if you force it into an 'evil clandestine binge' format, then you exaggerate the negative results (binge drinking is much worse than customary drinking in moderate amounts).

It is better for parents to have the option of raising their children to civilized drinking habits. And it is no bloody business of the government if they choose to do this.

Jan

Man.... I can't imagine somebody just coming into my house. To see if my kids are drinking? Are you friggin kidding me? That's a great way to get yourself in trouble.

Actually, they've done developmental studies that show that drugs and alcohol have a disproportionate amount of effect on teenagers and that the effects can permanently affect them because their brains are not fully developed yet.

I would also add this for thought: if the goal of the Objectivist is to encourage the use of the mind, why would you muddle it up by inhibiting its full function? Seems to me that the safest course of action is to stay away from that stuff and maintain your ability to make rational decisions.

Judges can be impeached, but I'm not aware of a time in our history when that has actually happened. Pity.

By 16 add: trained to use a rifle safely and accurately,

Texas law allows minors to drink as long as the parent is present. I know the stated target of this proposal is parties, but it might also include a family having some wine with dinner.

I send that !!! Then they'll want warrantless access to homes for "unregistered guns".

and I recoil at the unwarranted warrants which are
issued -- which judge has the qualifications to say
what parenting is good and which is not? -- j

Indeed!!

Mimi, it's not just IQ. It's also just plain old common sense. Everyone should realize that a teen's brain isn't fully developed until the mid 20's, including their emotional and reasoning development. Alcohol and any other drug affects those developments. Far too many parents want to be their children's friends rather than their mentors.

Yes on stripping officials of immunity, though I don't know of anyplace in the Constitution that implies immunity. I can't imagine that the founding generation would have thought that such an idea was proper.

It appears that things Obamanation inspires the flattery of imitation at all levels in the current socialist regime.

+1

Hmmm.. well OK, I was able to post two responses in two different fora, plus right here makes three.

The Fourth Amendment is supposed to be a check on the Police Powers of government..

Exactly! The reason this is a problem is because we deny the kinds this right, and reserve it for adults.
Do have kids. Do allow them to try at home. They both hate the taste, and do not partake...so they can't tell the difference between anything. Have I failed in their education or is there a chance to recover? :)

Did they miss the part in the constitution about Unreasonable search and seizure? Who do they think they are - the militia of George III?

That they're even considering this is an affront to the nation they live in. Obviously were cutting school during the "civics" class where they talked about the difference between Freedom and Slavery...

Come into MY house unannounced without a warrant, and you'll likely find Uncle Smith and Cousin Wesson taking a hard line upon your butt... It's not really about underage drinking, its about showing you that you're serfs to the all mighty and holy Gubmint.

I agree with ISank. What is wrong with underage drinking? Let's add a verse about 'underage drinking' to the below poem:

Jan

THE MODERN BABY
by William Croswell Doane

"The hand that rocks the cradle"—but there is no such hand;
It is bad to rock the baby, they would have us understand;
So the cradle's but a relic of the former foolish days
When mothers reared their children in unscientific ways—
When they jounced them and they bounced them, these poor dwarfs of long ago—
The Washingtons and Jeffersons and Adamses, you know.

They warn us that the baby will possess a muddled brain
If we dandle him or rock him - we must carefully refrain.
He must lie in one position, never swayed and never swung,
Or his chance to grow to greatness will be blasted while he's young.
Ah! To think how they were ruined by their mothers long ago—
The Franklins and the Putnams and the Hamiltons, you know.

Then we must feed the baby by the schedule that is made,
And the food that he is given must be measured out or weighed.
He may bellow to inform us that he isn't satisfied,
But he couldn't grow to greatness if his wants were all supplied.
Think how foolish nursing stunted those poor weaklings, long ago—
The Shakespeares and the Luthers and the Buonapartes, you know.

We are given a great mission, we are here today on earth
To bring forth a race of giants, and to guard them from their birth,
To insist upon their freedom from the rocking that was bad
For our parents and their parents, scrambling all the brains they had.
Ah! If they'd been fed by schedule would they have been stunted so?
The Websters and the Lincolns and the Roosevelts, you know.

Why would they, when no court or cop in the country will hold them personally answerable to it, despite their oaths?

One of the things a constitutional convention will need to take up is to strip all officials of their immunity. But until then they will answer to no one, unless someone successfully takes up arms against them (and I doubt that).

I doubt his would survive the ACLU lawsuit, let alone the first home owner suing when admittance is refused.

This is wrong on so many levels. I hope who ever thought of this is defeated the next time they're up for election.

It’s not that, Zen...it’s they don’t have a high enough IQ to understand the Constitution. They don’t know how to repair broken pieces of society after their silly laws don’t hold up or make a bad situation worse.
Take for instance my county: underage drinking is illegal, which to me is okay, BUT, a kid can drink in his own home with his parent’s consent.There is no limit. There is no boundary. This contradiction of the spirit of the law causes a break-down of it’s enforcement. Which is why there are certain homes that always become the ‘party’ house in high school. A couple of my neighbors buy six-packs for their teenage boys on the weekends and they are perfectly within their legal right to do so. But some parents--make it a twelve pack--some parents make it a bottle of rum. ???
Then they feign surprise when minors who are not their kids: show-up, get drunk, and then get the home owner fined thousands of dollars per minor for under-age drinking on the premise.