further thoughts on real solutions from "McDonalds customers behaving badly"

Posted by $ winterwind 10 years, 5 months ago to The Gulch: General
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The McDonalds post elicited great conversation - and got me to thinking about what really SHOULD be done in these cases.
a couple of notes from the post:

Some bitches need to get arrested

their bodies are those of a human, but their brains are that of a predator animal. They need to be trained like the animal they are in reality.

I wondered, if they were to be arrested, what then? It would certainly stop the immediate situation, but not come close to the root of it.
Training? Who does it? Who feeds them and cleans their cages? And what do we have after they're "trained"?
and my sentence: Make it clean, quick and over.

Seriously, we ARE seeing more and more of these incidents, which implies to me that there are more and more of these animals. Given that the fickle finger of fate will not reach down and make them disappear, what do we do?

As a beginning, quick as I am to say take them out behind the building and put them down, on what grounds? Moral grounds, certainly - the initiation of violence is clear. But that's me and Mr. Heckler and Mr. Koch, not me as a member of a law-abiding society. I will not undertake either their training or their incarceration - I am not suited for it.
But, sooner or later, it's going to be one of us in that McDonalds, gobsmacked and frightened. What then?
Thoughts?
N.B. References to "Coming to America" are acceptable but not as a final answer.

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  • Posted by $ winterwind 10 years, 5 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I would agree. But there are always those who see the opportunity to take what they "need" from someone else who has it, and then act on that opportunity.
    A good thing which will appear out of this is that some number of people who were anti-self-defense will [if they live] change their minds.
    But there will, for some time, be successful "strongmen" who live by taking from others. Again, introducing them to Mr. Heckler and Mr. Koch will change that. But by their nature, strongmen [who can give out bread and circuses] attract their own brand of parasites, until you have to deal with a ....what's the collective noun for those who wish to survive by the use of force?
    Deal with them in ones and two, not 100's.
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  • Posted by Herb7734 10 years, 5 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Hey! I'm originally from Detroit!
    Once upon a time it was a really great city.
    Unfortunately, you're right. Many years ago, Detroit's first black mayor, one Coleman Young told the people of Detroit that if they didn't like the way he was running things they could leave. He was actually talking mostly to the producers. Guess what? They did leave, in droves. From that point on you could see Detroit fall apart for the next 40 years. The amazing part was that the inherent structure that they had created was so strong that it took 40 years to completely crumble.
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  • Posted by $ Susanne 10 years, 5 months ago in reply to this comment.
    The land has value, and giving them free anything just exacerbates the problem. They likely already get too much given to them paid for on our dime... we'll lease them land in alaska, and if they can pay for their supplies, fine... otherwise, well, I understand you can make a club or bow and arrow out of caribou gut and bones...
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  • Posted by johnpe1 10 years, 5 months ago
    ummmmm ... could this be an opportunity for a
    legally-armed citizen to defend private property --
    gently but firmly??? -- j

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  • Posted by Flootus5 10 years, 5 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I am not sure that Man's instinct is to be part of a group in all circumstances. Sure, when survival is a function of group cooperation, both primitive and civilized. But the whole nature of the advancement of the human condition has ultimately been dependent on an individual innovating a new concept.

    I think I would point to the progression of thought process as laid out by Ayn Rand in Anthem as to why this is so. The ultimate basic building block that is the individual can never be negated by the collective. That is the fundamental problem with collectivism - that one of their premises is wrong - that there is no such thing as the individual.
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  • Posted by Herb7734 10 years, 5 months ago in reply to this comment.
    True. But then, the rest of Africa doesn't rate highly on the humanitarian scale. Interesting animals, though.
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  • Posted by $ allosaur 10 years, 5 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Far too many are those who would look down on us both as dinosaurs. Such as Obama voters.
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  • Posted by mccannon01 10 years, 5 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Herb7734, Liberia is an African nation started by repatriating freed American slaves back to Africa. You can see how that ended up.
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  • Posted by mccannon01 10 years, 5 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Thought you might like that. I'm a dino, myself and relate to your moniker. I've started posts and conversations with verbiage like: "Now back when T-Rex walked the earth, we used to do things like..."
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  • Posted by Herb7734 10 years, 5 months ago in reply to this comment.
    That would be too racist. Besides, who in Africa would want them? No, they're home-grown and we need to take care of them here.
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  • Posted by khalling 10 years, 5 months ago in reply to this comment.
    they are products of a statist society. When people see opportunity for themselves they build a good life. Not everyone, but the vast majority
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  • Posted by mccannon01 10 years, 5 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I'd go along with what you are saying if the first word of your first sentence was "many". I guess the definition of "industriousness" in this context needs to be spelled out. It has been my experience to observe too many people, when left to their own industriousness, become drug addicts, criminals, and "professional recipients". The "ladies" in this video certainly had the opportunity, left to their own industriousness, to behave in a civilized fashion (choose another menu item or go someplace else), but they chose not to. Their industry is looting and violence is one of their tools to achieve their goals.
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  • Posted by strugatsky 10 years, 5 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Live, yes; thrive - that's a matter of opinion. Man's instinct is to be part of a group, thus individualism is suppressed. According to some studies and theories, the current species may not have been the most intelligent individually, but by grouping managed to kill off more intelligent but individually minded (or smaller group) species. There have always been a few fiercely individual specimens, but the majority of the species are sheeple. Even in America - why else would the middle class pay more to have more restrictions in HOA's?
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  • Posted by khalling 10 years, 5 months ago in reply to this comment.
    people who are left to their own industriousness voluntarily choose civilized behavior. It increases their chances of receiving value in associations and trade. Man only needs his property rights protected. The rest of the "rules" should be for what the government's limitations are.
    As far as the entitlement class goes, their behavior is pointedly self-less.
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  • Posted by khalling 10 years, 5 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I disagree that is the case. In fact, I submit, man is trained from infancy to not trust their thoughts, reason and logic. Man's natural state is to live and thrive.
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  • Posted by khalling 10 years, 5 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I think jail is where they need to go. Africa doesn't deserve people who are anti-human
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    Posted by teri-amborn 10 years, 5 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Sounds good...except for the monthly crate of food.
    Perhaps returning them to Africa would be a better solution.
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  • Posted by mccannon01 10 years, 5 months ago in reply to this comment.
    It's a mixed bag. A civilized republic can rise (or be wrenched out of) an uncivilized environment ruled by strongmen as well as crumble back into it. The trick is to identify the correct rules of being civilized and apply them. In your example, I'm sure Hitler and Stalin thought themselves to be quite civilized, but in fact they were not. Our republic grew stronger through its trials of history as long as the people learned from the experience and tried to do better. Within the new entitlement class, the people are no longer learning and are clueless as to what "doing better" actually is. They are selfish in the worst sense of the word and are prone to beast-like behavior when their feelings of need are not met. When their numbers reach a critical mass where their drain on the republics energy can no longer be satiated by those producing the energy, then your strongman state will return just as you say. God help us.
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  • Posted by Herb7734 10 years, 5 months ago
    The "training" in the movie "A Clockwork Orange" comes to mind. However, in the movie, it didn't last. How about a large hunk of land set aside in Alaska, where they are given a monthly crate of supplies and left to beat up on one another?

    This makes me feel a bit creepy, but it also seems to feel right: Declare them to be non-human and euthanize them.
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