As AR said, "To say, 'I love you,' one must first know how to say the 'I'"

I taught my grandson my rules, based on experience, of relationships. 1. watch how a women handles her money; that's how she will handle yours. 2. Never have a woman without goals of her own; you will become her goal. 3 Never have a woman dumber than you; she will cause you problems. 4 When a woman says she can't get pregnant, she is planning on getting pregnant.

Mary Palmer and Rosie Fingers... Reminds me of some of the banter from the old days at work! --lol--

At least he's not going out with Ms. Vinylchloride... First name of Polly... Really Butyl-ful girl, but usually full of hot air, and could go out with a bang...

Is that new though? The points you make are valid but I think they have been true for a while. If young people are choosing not to have sex at all that seems to go against human nature.

Rich, If you have ever noticed any post that contains the word sex in it usually gets some good scores and lengthy comments. What does that say about us? I think from now on I am going to include the word "sex" in front of all my posts so I can score more points and make the hot list.

And a guy can be fired for talking to a woman in the office and having it "misconstrued". Just went thru our annual "Sexual Harassment" training - The message I got out of that was if a guy says something to you that is not politically correct, sterilized, and femino-centric, you are damned near obligated to turn him in for being a sexual harasser.

27 years ago, I took a job in a "traditional masculine work environment"... ie Highway Construction and Maintenance - after coming from another one - Auto, Diesel, and Motorcycle mechanics. ALL of us - guys and gals - had magazines, pin ups, hot calenders, etc, told ribald jokes, talked about and to one another as if, well, we were family, not mortal combatants.

When they got rid of that, started pushing this politically correct rhetoric in the workplace, encouraged us womenfolk (they really did!) to turn in anyone we felt said something unwelcome, inappropriate, or possibly demeaning, (hell, when were we *not*??), it literally destroyed the closeness, camaraderie, and "family" we felt we were a part of. OF course, there *were* some jerkoffs, but they had a hard time explaining the dildo epoxied to the hood of their car, or how they had a shovel-shaped bruise on the side of their face... so in some very limited circumstances, Iit did get the scum out... but it pretty much flatlined our morale at work as well...

Maybe the good old days weren't kinder, gentler, all care-bear soft, fuzzy, and kum-by-yah snuggly... but it was not our nursery, it was where we worked... and the further we get from it, the more I miss what we gave up for our politically correct workplace.

omg! lololol The Palm sisters???

Gives a WHOLE new perspective on the picture of the Brawny guy on the roll of paper towels...

Which would lead to...
www.youtube.com/watch?v=sZa26_esLBE

Yea a friend of mine got a sex doll. It was a sheep - a ewe, of course...

Jan
(He is a great guy too. Has a good sense of humor.)

No we are not the same. But we (both genders) have been crippled by our cultures and we need some time to stand on our own feet.

I love the courtesies and charm of bygone eras, but anyone who thinks that 'not the same' means 'less' when applied to me will find himself tied in knots and hurled into the nearest dumpster.

Jan

Actually, you can blow off the bio-clock. An FDA inspector I met told me about her sister who was in her mid-50's who got married to a tree farmer in Montana. She had hormone treatments, produced some ova, had them fertilized IVF by her husband and implanted in a volunteer (her youngest sister). The sister carried the baby to term, bore it, and then gave it back to her elder sister who - at the age of 56 or so - now had a newborn child with herself and her husband as genetic parents.

Cool.

Jan

I agree with khalling: Women are individuals. Most of the young geek-girls I know are nice people, but then, they have opted out of the conventional dating scene and have guys as friends. And then they sometimes pair up with one of these friends, whom they have known, and played video games with, for years.

Secondly, I do not see the point in panicking over women behaving in the same manner that men have traditionally behaved - having casual sex is something you can do when you make your own income and have modern medicine.

Thirdly, this is acne. It is a 'phase that we are going though'. Once the little Persian etc wifies undergo their own internal revolution (by making their own money and having modern medicine yadda yadda) then the choice of having an enduring family relationship will be the choice of an individual, not a requirement for a class of individuals.

Jan

I agree that is the problem that many have. I think I just take article with a lot of skepticism because as a 29 year old female and I really hope that all the good men don't give up. I am an admitted idealist and am happy to be so inclined to believe that the really good men would not give up and only the ones lacking true tenacity are the ones involved in the "Sexodus". I know this article is regarding a societal trend, but as you point out, I think it is just one of the many results of a society where so many lack individuality and values.

There are so many people in the world these days that are just screwed up! I do believe that western women are much different that other women in different parts of the world. I think women in other cultures are more appreciative of things we take for granted. Our family system had deteriorated where are many other countries include more emphasis on families.

It's good to hear that your nephews have found familial happiness. It seems to me that American girls are too busy proving they can do a man's job to take time to be women. The way modern feminism portrays the basic facts of life today is that the penis is an instrument of oppression, and pregnancy is a disease.

Yeah, I realize that. I think I've seen those on a tv show - some reality show about rock stars' wives or something. So strange - hahaha....

Your counter argument was a good one. As a dad I thought it important to have a conversation with my boys about dating. In the process I was telling them that even though they may find someone who is absolutely fantastic, they must find out how much debt this lperson has before getting too involved. Their reaction was expected “Dad you take all the love out of a relationship.” They graduate with no debt so the decision to marry someone with a lot of debt could be a pivotal decision in determining how their life is lived. Today kids are faced with different situations that we had. Once married if they have to spend the rest of their life paying off debt suddenly that hot and desirable mate can lose their attractiveness quickly. It’s already difficult to get to a point in life where you can save money, now throw in massive student loan payments and the situation is worse. Life is not fun it all one is working for is to pay off the debt of a spouse. The relationship can deteriorate quickly. As a financial advisor it’s not uncommon to see young people have$100 -$200,000 in student loan debt. Young people do not have understand debt and its repayment. Unlike when most of us went to school filing bankruptcy cannot eliminate this debt. It will follow you till the day you die. If payments are not made, the government can garnish social security payments. Suddenly the American Dream can turn into the American nightmare. The other area is many young people today come from divorced home. As a result this has impacted their view on relationships.

Abaco I was only trying to get people to laugh a little. I'm not into that kind of stuff. Yes it could be creepy. I thought the same as you when my friend sent me the link to the page selling the dolls. They cost something like $5000. When I saw the website I thought it was a joke but it was no joke. Of course once has to ask why he had the link to begin with.

The problem is that both sexes have devolved into seeing sexual activity as only recreational instead of the foundation of family and society. When one treats the creation of life so cavalierly, it is no wonder. When women think that the only way to get a man to like them is to sleep with them, they devalue themselves. When men only look at a woman as a sexual object instead of as a partner for life, they devalue both themselves and women.

there are some advantages to living a long time. shortly i will be 73 so i do not concern myself with what is going on now with the youth of america.
that said i vaguely recall that Leonard Peikoff talked about the breakdown of american youth in his book "ominous parallel". i may have to peruse it to refresh myself.

Being a 61 year old dude, happily married to an awesome Alabama girl for over thirty years, I will tell you that things are not the same. My nephews on one side of the family have had bizarre relationships and marriages, and even though they are over 6'4" and 200#, they are feminized! The youngest got a divorce from his wife of five years who then promptly declared herself to be gay.
On the other side of the family the two nephews have married foreigners...one a Persian girl who works, cleans, cooks, raises their children and appears deliriously happy, not to mention she is beautiful. Scary, isn't it? And his brother has married a Korean girl, and they have a happy, "normal" family dynamic raising their two kids in Seoul. Maybe the American dream is easier to find these days beyond the borders of America.
I'm afraid I agree with the host...

Fear of commitment. That's the biggie.

Buying into the whole "we can't raise a child in this state of the world" is another.

Don't want the responsibility - eg "It would cut into my video game and f*** off time I've had for the past 40 years" is a 3rd. (Slight adaptation to this one is having to be responsible and move out on ones own)

But the all time biggie... Why buy the cow and have to feed it when you can rent it, milk it, and give it back?

It's not just guys... The women seem to think "Oh, there will be plenty of time to have babys when I'm older"... totally blowing off the reality of their biological clock, as if somehow some medical miracle or outer space alien will somehow allow them to have kids when they're biologically too old to reproduce (include this one in the fantasy genre).

Of course... it also has to do with the way they were raised - I see an AWFUL lot of kids raised in the 80's and 90's that were spoiled, pampered and mollycoddled by their parents into their 20's or later ("so they would have the things we didn't") As a result - they're in their 30's and 40's, some with advanced degrees - and still act - no, are stuck at the social and mentally developmental age - as if they were 13. And think this is normal...

There are a lot of factors here. I love women, really love them. Women's lib took hold with a lot of invalid premises, backed by a lot of really angry people - and launched an attack against manly men. If a society really advocates that men and women are the same, eventually, they'll start losing interest in each other. (my opinion)

Geez - that doll issue is strange. Creepy.

I know many 20-something women who are into very casual hookups. Frankly, I find it disturbing. Even though I'm as old as their parents I get targeted, still, from time to time. There are more easy young women than when I was that age.