A Beginner’s Guide to Austrian Economics

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The “Austrian School” of economics grew out of the work of the late 19th and 20th century Vienna economists Carl Menger, Eugen von Bohm-Bawerk, Ludwig von Mises, and Friedrich Hayek (though of course Austrian School economists need not hail from Austria). Austrians focus strongly on the analysis of individual human action. This is known as praxeology, the study of the logical implications of the fact that individuals act with purpose, from which all economic theory can be deduced. Austrians also note the correlation between greater economic freedom and greater political and moral freedom. This in part explains why Austrian economics is the intellectual foundation for libertarianism. Austrians rightly attribute the repeated implosions of mainstream Keynesian economics to the latter’s focus on empirical observations, mathematical models, and statistical analysis.


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  • Posted by dbhalling 10 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Austrians are not pro free market they do not understand the basis of a free market which is property rights, reason, and A is A.
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  • Posted by dbhalling 10 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I don't think we was misconstrued. Hayek's justification for freedom is the limitation of reason. This is why religious people like Hayek so much.
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  • Posted by EskimoBro 10 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Yes you are correct but I never once in any of my posts said anything about the personal computer being made specifically for productivity. They weren’t. That still doesn’t change the fact that computers were originally designed for calculations. If you go back to why computers were originally developed in the first place, you would see that it was for advanced number crunching. However, this eventually changed when personal computers started coming out on the market where they were focused at hobbyist and the like. My last two paragraphs in my previous post describe this.

    As for inventions and productivity not being the same thing, I mention this in the first paragraph of my first post. And I agree, they are not the same thing.
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  • Posted by dbhalling 10 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    All property rights are protected by the government. There is no difference in the government stopping someone from stealing your corn or your invention.
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  • Posted by dbhalling 10 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    The personal computer was not invented for this reason. It was created because people thought it was fun.

    Inventions and productivity are not the same thing. And inventions always come first.
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  • Posted by EskimoBro 10 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I was expecting this to come up. I didn't want to go into detail about this on my last post because it was getting long enough as it was. And yes, the abacus seems a little too simple to be referred to as a computer but it is indeed a computer (not my definition). The Babbage differential engine is nothing more than one of the more notable intermediate inventions/improvements upon existing computing technology.

    But throwing that aside, the computer was created to help people carry out more advanced calculations quicker and easier than could be done by previous inventions. It didn’t just go from the abacus to the computer we see today. In between the two were inventions of other computing devices that used mechanical pieces that performed the functions of calculations (the Babbage differential engine). It was a process of invention after invention, improvement after improvement that eventually lead to the digital programmable computers we see today. And the use of using digital inputs and programming was just an improvement from the existing technology of using analog inputs.

    As everything became digital, calculations were able to become increasingly complex through the use of programming. It didn’t take long before you had people (innovative programmers) looking at other ways of using programming to create other functions with the computer. Before you knew it, people were writing programs and computer games from nothing more than advanced versions of this original technology.

    And now today we are able to do so many advanced functions on these computers that no one would have imagined 100 years ago. So when we look at the computer today, it is often hard on how to see how it all came to be. Was the computer created so you could play games on it or surf the internet? Absolutely not. Its origins were for computing and number crunching but with a little bit of innovation, people were able to think of many other functions and uses for it.
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  • Posted by 10 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Can there be no true free market solution (an alternative to government coercion, inefficiency, and cronyism) that effectively protects intellectual property the same or better? I hope there is, because I also think it's important. I've seen private contracts proposed as a solution; perhaps a contract for sale can specify that the item is for personal use only, include a non-compete clause with specified damages, and state that the terms carry with any resale.
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  • Posted by $ blarman 10 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I'm going to quibble here because your definition of a computer is way too simplistic to be real. An abacus is an adding machine - a precursor to the computer. A computer is a programmable tool - much more than an abacus. The Babbage differential engine was the actual first "computer" in any real sense.
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  • Posted by EskimoBro 10 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Actually computers were invented to increase productivity. They were actually created thousands of years ago and the first one was called the abacus, a device that allowed for more efficient calculations. An invention? Yes. An increase in productivity? Yes. Do all inventions increase productivity? I would say no, (slot machines, video games, etc.) But in a way they do make the lives of people better off or they wouldn’t invent them in the first place.

    And you are right in a roundabout way that inventions do not happen naturally. They occur when an individual (inventor) believes that there is a better way of doing or solving an existing problem. As it turns out this process is constantly occurring because people are always finding better ways to solve existing problems. So in a way it is happening naturally but it is only because people see a better way of solving existing problems. But this is more of a focus on specific words rather than the concept.

    So you might ask why would a person invent something in the first place if they know somebody else is going to copy and sell their idea? Let me ask you, would you rather buy a knockoff or the real deal? Would you rather buy Rearden’s Metal from Hank or would you rather buy someone else’s knockoff of it? I know I would rather buy it from Hank if they were both the same price but if they weren’t the same price, then I would consider value vs. price in my buying decision. But is it that bad that people can buy the same goods for lower price? Or is it that bad that there are multiple companies competing for my money?

    In order to support copyright laws you must by definition also support a restricted flow of knowledge in the economy. Copyright laws at a basic level are the creation of a legal monopoly on ideas and inventions. In order to support copyright laws you also have to support some degree of stagnation in the economy. When you prohibit ideas from flowing freely, you are slowing down technological growth in the economy. Government regulations and copyright laws have one thing in common, they both slow down growth in an economy.
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  • Posted by Robbie53024 10 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I've read it. He's been misconstrued. The passage that gets misunderstood is about socialism - his caveat was that if ALL interactions and reactions could be known (they can't) then socialism could work. He knew that it couldn't work, but those who want to denigrate him point to that point and declare Hayak a proponent of socialism. Nothing could be further from the truth.
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  • Posted by Robbie53024 10 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    AR isn't a school of economics. There is no "free market school" other than the Austrian School.
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  • Posted by justin_mohr_show 10 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I'm with you Herb. We have economic illiterates running our country! But I guess the big problem is the voters are economic illiterates!!! That's why I started my podcast. Sick of this madness!!!
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  • Posted by Robbie53024 10 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Well, their number one goal is to get the financial backers to continue to support them financially so that they can then convince the voters. But point taken.
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  • Posted by justin_mohr_show 10 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    My point is when you embrace capitalism ( property rights) people invent things to make life better for people and therefore they make a profit for solving problems. As for the computer, look at Microsoft and Apple. Steve jobs started in his garage and worked his butt off producing a product he hoped would change the world. And Apple has to a degree. So did Steve jobs just make new technology just for the sake of new technologies sake? No, he wanted to make money and build a business. And people only buy new technology if it will make them better off. So therefore, a new technology makes you better off because you are more productive and more efficient. Looking at this from a business perspective, if you don't adopt to new technology eventually you won't be able to compete. So technology comes about from capitalism. So progress does not come just simply because of new technology, but because of capitalism.
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  • Posted by Herb7734 10 years, 4 months ago
    How many Senators, Congressmen, Judges, and Presidential staff could pass a 101 test on free market economics? Judging by current performances, not very many. This, of course, leads to the question of how many of those persons understand and support the Constitution? Not many, judging by those who allowed the 4th amendment to be virtually nullified. Every person running for office or being appointed to office should have to take a test proving that they know and understand basic economics and the founding principals of the nation. Unfortunately, this won't prevent them from screwing up once elected, but at least they won't have any excuses.
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  • Posted by dbhalling 10 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    No, I prefer a free market school of economics that is based on objectivity and reason. I do not think any school of economics is presently consistent with Obectivism, which is why Rand had such a tenuous relationship with many free market economists. I will pick Rand and Objectivism over any present school of economics.
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  • Posted by dbhalling 10 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Hayek himself was an apologist freedom, not a true supporter of freedom. See David Kelley's paper on Rand vs. Hayek
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  • Posted by dbhalling 10 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Increases in productivity are not the same thing as technology. They are related but the personal computer was not invented to increase productivity.

    Inventions do not happen naturally. There is absolutely no evidence for this point of view. The only reason we escaped the malthusian trap was because of property rights for inventions.. And only increases in technology can make use wealthier. Without Patents there is no incentive to invent, because it is always cheaper to copy other people as history shows.
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  • Posted by $ allosaur 10 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    A politician's number one goal--
    Do whatever it takes to convince voters to sustain my uninterrupted political career with its great health care plan and a retirement package.
    (Hey, I did not even think to use my cynical Comrade Citizen character for this baby. Well, I did after the writing).
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  • Posted by dbhalling 10 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    No it does not cloud our perspective. Austrians are subjectivists and do not understand the importance of the mind and therefore the importance of inventions.
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  • Posted by ProfChuck 10 years, 4 months ago
    If faced with a choice between objective thought and maintenance of political power the politician will inevitably chose power. Power is as seductive as a beautiful woman and as addictive as cocaine as a result loss pf power is anathema to the politician. The Austrian school of economics is closely related to the concept of spontaneous order. Hayek understood this and the earliest observation of this phenomena is in Adam Smith's "invisible hand". The notion that a tendency toward order is a natural phenomena threatens the justification for centralized planning which, in turn, jeopardizes the politicians power base. It is not surprising that those that lust for power will deny Hayek in favor of Keynes.
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  • Posted by Robbie53024 10 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    And well it does. Keep it up.

    What dbh and kh have a problem with is IP protection. As a patent attorney this is understandable, but it clouds their perspective.
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