That would become almost a minor concern, and fraud would have to take on a national scale to even compete with simple counting errors.

I am starting to notice a trend.

Only if the count is bonafide

You sound like you would appreciate the elimination of the Electoral College, and support a true popular vote winner. That would eliminate your issue on the Federal level.
I believe that the Electoral College has outlive it's initial purpose, and a popular vote would guarantee that everyone's vote counts.

It matters who decides which political committees get to be 501(c)3s, too. Why isn't Lois Lerner in jail yet?

There's more than one way to cheat in an election.

Add something to prevent a person from voting more than once.
Iraq had a simple, and foolproof, method...purple fingers!

Hello whiskysmuggler,
The voices predominately on the progressive left, cry foul when voter ID is promoted. What does that say? Kind of makes one all warm and fuzzy inside; doesn't it? (sarc.)
Respectfully,
O.A.

This is much easier to control on the front end instead of the back end, and that is what happens.

The parties choose candidates that they can control. The media and "bi-partisan" debate process are used to discredit and/or disqualify other potential candidates.

Voting has little effect on the eventual office holders.

So did 2000, 2004, 2008.

Originally posted to Daily Kos on Sun Nov 07, 2004 at 01:33 PM PST.
Link: http://www.dailykos.com/story/2004/11/07...
Also check out: http://politicaloutcast.com/2014/10/touc...
And finally: http://forum.prisonplanet.com/index.php?...

Feel Free? Peace, Whisky

And dead people are worth twice as many votes.

I am situated between Detroit and Flint. Those two large voting blocks overshadow much of southeast Mi. I know what you mean.

"how much your vote is really worth".I live in the south in a gerrymandered district, which was drawn in such a way as to insure a black representative at all times. When I tell you that over 80% of the black voters in this district are on welfare, you will understand that my vote and their votes are always different.
Point is, my vote is worth absolutely nothing. I feel like a black person in the south in the 20s who knew his vote was irrelevant! That was wrong then, and this is wrong now.
The only reason I keep voting is so I can gripe about the results.

This is a good plan. The ability of a voter to look up his vote and compare it to his receipt (in case he pushed the wrong button accidentally) is crucial. I might suggest a "Vote Preview" button (like Print Preview) so that, before a voter Saves his vote, he can look it over - and change it if he wants.

Jan

You may be correct about the fixing of the voting machines. The 100% score is as suspicious as you indicate. But the people around me (So Cal) love Obama and would vote for him another 10 times if they could. I think that he would have won without cheating (because the Republicans could not field a worthy opponent); this is not to say that the cheating did not occur.

Jan

And because that's where the people are.

This is a great argument for requiring Voter ID. Simply requiring proof if identity for voters would eliminate a LOT of this fraud.

But my observations about massive, nationwide conspiracies still apply.

Hello sumitch,
Indeed. It smells very fishy. Somehow we keep teetering on this two party system. One wonders just who is in control and how much your vote is really worth. One thing for sure is that this administration and any of its appointed AGs will not pursue voter fraud charges as long they perceive it as helping their cause.
Respectfully,
O.A.

Kilroy was here! :)

Not saying anything but reported facts here. But when 94% of the blacks that voted were for Obama sure rings of at lease racist driven voting. There's probably much more fraud, trickery and vote counting that hasn't been discovered or maybe discovered but not reported on, Maybe not totally, but many votes are fixed.

"Yes, there is a lot of voter fraud in the major cities..."

Those are your words, and the ever increasing migration into the major cities makes these voting blocks the outcome factor in how a state swings.
Why do you think that the candidates focus on the largest cities in each state? Because that is where the campaigns get won.

20 up votes to RonC

I think ACORN and SEIU and their ballot box stuffing with Mickey Mouse etc. gives a lot of evidence that the votes were being pushed to Obama in many places. The voting machines issue is well explained above as well and the Black Panther in Philadelphia who was not tried by Eric Holder for lack of evidence disregarding the video of him at the polling place with a police club intimidating voters. Stories of more votes than population were told about for more than a couple of places. If these tricks didn't give the office to Obama they sure gave it a shot. Who knows how much more was done?

More than one way to skin a cat... the voting machine issues seem more like flukes... at least recently. Who knows what was happening ten years or more ago. The larger problem is more likely human in nature. There are a lot of dead people still voting. Maybe they are zombies. :)

How does one arrange to have votes counted by a foreign company owned or controlled by a partisan? What standing do they have? Who provided the electronic machines that voted for Obama when the voter clearly pressed the Romney touch pad? How can a precinct in Eastern Cleveland have 100% of the votes attributed to Obama. You know there had to be at least one illiterate that pressed the wrong button. I believe the fix was in. And today we have a President that can't make a decision for the USA. He is anti-American in his behavior. Leading from behind is essentially "following" or withdrawing completely. I have believed for 6 years now he is one of them, he is conflicted, and cannot act in our behalf. I have wondered why, after releasing enemy combatants back to the battle field and by his decision process (late or no decision at all) allowing the enemy to gain substantial ground and resources, why hasn't a four star with a band of Marines relieved him and restored the Constitution? Just my opinion.

Understood. If the election is so close that it comes down to one state, and that state has the problem... well, that could happen but probability... Still, if one knew and could prove it, I suspect they might be "disappeared." Strange how things that sure look nefarious like the death of Breitbart's coroner and how another witness happen to vanish and nothing more is heard... who knows?