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Can a dedicated member of the Gulch support Obama?

Posted by mdk2608 10 years, 2 months ago to Philosophy
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Just wanted to solicit comments and feedback for us to think about.


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  • Posted by Snoogoo 10 years, 2 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Correct... This is one objectivist Obama will NOT be collecting an ACA fine from this year! To hell with that.
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  • Posted by Snoogoo 10 years, 2 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Yeah but then in Bizarro world Obama would be a champion of individual rights and the objectivists would be collectivists.. so they would still not be compatible..therefore the answer is still NO lol.
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  • Posted by slfisher 10 years, 2 months ago in reply to this comment.
    So...you think he's lying and taking more vacations than are actually reported? Don't you think people would notice that he wasn't in the office?
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  • Posted by Poidog 10 years, 2 months ago in reply to this comment.
    For those of you who did not read DC comics in the early 60's
    In the Bizarro world of "Htrae" ("Earth" spelled backwards), society is ruled by the Bizarro Code which states "Us do opposite of all Earthly things! Us hate beauty! Us love ugliness! Is big crime to make anything perfect on Bizarro World!" In one episode, for example, a salesman is doing a brisk trade selling Bizarro bonds: "Guaranteed to lose money for you". Later, the mayor appoints Bizarro No. 1 to investigate a crime, "Because you are stupider than the entire Bizarro police force put together". This is intended and taken as a great compliment.
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  • Posted by $ Susanne 10 years, 2 months ago in reply to this comment.
    His timing of these vacations are suspect; worse, his disconnect with events around him - or deliberate ignoring of them - show he is not a leader, but a grandstander faker. If he can lie about that - why not lie about everything - after all in a looter mindset like that, one thinks "Hey, if others can do it and get away with it, so can I."
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  • Posted by wiggys 10 years, 2 months ago
    NO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    Also, at this moment in time i find it very disconcerting that anyone supports him even the black community.
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  • Posted by GaryL 10 years, 2 months ago
    I would support him for 5-15 in a federal Pen!
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  • Posted by $ Susanne 10 years, 2 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Or worse, an anti-objectivist practicing what an anti-objectivist naturally would - lying, deceit, fact-twisting. I can only hope that it was said as irony, tho, following some other posts... I fear it may not have been.
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  • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 10 years, 2 months ago
    Of course not. He's a Democrat. If; he was a Republican I would say the same thing. I don't support the Government Party or any form of left wing socialist fascism. Not what they say no matter how good the street theater it's the results that count. I don't flush my support down the toilet - besides he's a lawyer. Strike Two. No need to look further except at the results. Strike Three. Same applies so far to every proposed candidate.

    First one that is submitted by some form of a Constitutional Centrist Party the TRUE center of the country I'm first in line.

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  • Posted by term2 10 years, 2 months ago
    NO. Obama is a disaster in pretty much EVERY way. I wouldnt even go to lunch with him if I were invited to the white house to do so. I have nothing to say to him, nor want to listen to anything he says.
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  • Posted by freedomforall 10 years, 2 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Compromise is what has caused the constant slide. The GOP hasn't done anything right in 50 years. You have to learn this for yourself, and I respect your process of discovery.
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  • Posted by $ jbrenner 10 years, 2 months ago in reply to this comment.
    CG, I find it remarkable that you are still here. If we decide in Atlantis that we must keep a socialist around just to remember what they are like, as Rush Limbaugh suggests, then I suppose you will likely be that socialist. Anyone who supports President Zero can have absolutely nothing in common with Galt's Gulch. He and his administration do something every DAY to anger me.
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  • Posted by sumitch 10 years, 2 months ago in reply to this comment.
    There is also an increase in the split between black and white people. I think that should be added to his "accomplishments". I can't totally blame him for the national debt as it's congress that makes the monetary decisions for the country, or so it's supposed to be,
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  • Posted by Robbie53024 10 years, 2 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Because nearly everyone knows that there's someone with more wealth than they have. So, "spreading the wealth" must be taking from them to give to me, right? And those at the very top see gov't as the means to take from all those with much less and give to them. So really, we all see it as taking from someone else and being given to us. But that cannot logically be true, just nobody wants to think logically.
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  • Posted by Robbie53024 10 years, 2 months ago in reply to this comment.
    One is worse than the other. Until you can wrest control with sufficient populace to support the liberty that you desire, it is far better to lose it at a slower pace than a faster one.

    I for one have begun that process. I'm now on our county Republican Party board, as are several fellow TEA Party types. We will be working to recruit and support, and get elected candidates that support liberty and are not merely emblazoned with an R. I encourage you to do the same.
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  • Posted by sumitch 10 years, 2 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I don't agree that Obama's "spreading the wealth" is a good thing and being a suspicious of government at every turn in the road type felt that he was saying is exactly what he is doing.

    Punishing the wealthy (that are wealthy because of honest ability) by giving the fruits of their labor to others that have done nothing to deserve the reward would raise the hairs on Ms. Rand's neck. Her saying that no one deserves the rewards of my labor without consent doesn't fit with spreading the wealth the way Obama is doing it.
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  • Posted by $ allosaur 10 years, 2 months ago in reply to this comment.
    My initial reaction to the concept of Obama having an "alleged birthday" was a short bit of laughter.
    The unexpected is the essence of humor whether humor be intended or not.
    My immediate follow-up reaction? It is sad that this country's twice-elected Liar-In-Chief would be so corrupt that anyone would even think that his birth date would be suspect.
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  • Posted by sumitch 10 years, 2 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I can't go there. Sure there are others with the same crime but that doesn't give him the right to not face the music for his. If a legitimate defense would be that all having done the same crime and only if they all faced the courts along with him, I think all of us would be found not guilty of virtually any crime.
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    Posted by 10 years, 2 months ago
    Obama is the Anti-Rand. Nothing about him is consistent with a Rand’s philosophy. Therefore in my opinion if someone follows even a fraction of Obama’s policies it would be impossible for a resident of the Gulch (the virtual one or the real one) to support Obama and remain consistent with the Rand’s goals. In fact Obama intentionally tries to counter just about everything in that objectivist philosophy. For example if we look at Obama’s “I am my brother’s keeper initiative” It is the opposite of Rand’s. His big government strategy is opposite. His pro socialism agenda, his live off the government anti work anti-capitalist agenda, his I never met a regulation I did not like philosophy, and his “everyone deserves a fair shot” slogan has its roots in communism and its “everyone should be equal” origins. That’s just a few. It’s like vinegar and water. The two do not mix no matter how hard one tries. It is impossible. Obama appeals to the non-thinker and the person who wants someone else to think for him. The thinker can see through the lies. Granted I can see how someone in 2008 might have been caught up in the Obama’s rhetoric. I mean who didn’t like the “ there are no red states not blue states only the United States slogan, or his notion of being a transparent administration, or his position of being against mounting deficits just to name a few. Much sounded great. However within a short period thereafter if you did not figure out he was elected based on almost all lies something is terribly wrong. Fortunately, I was in the camp of those who saw through the lies but as I look back I can see how someone might have been believed the rhetoric. The question I still ask myself is this man stupid or are his actions on purpose. I believe it is on purpose. It’s difficult to get elected to the Presidency being stupid, therefore I believe it is intentional based on his philosophy growing up, his associations with known communists, and his Islamic background. I believe that it is darn near impossible to destroy American from the outside. However American can be destroyed from within, where our own policies, our own constitution is used against us. This is what I see Obama doing--- destroying American from within. Therefore one cannot be dedicated to what the Gutch stands for and support Obama in any way.
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