Good Bye
Posted by TruthFreedom1 11 years, 4 months ago to Philosophy
argumentum ad hominem: Passing judgement on a perception of character. I have never passed character judgement on a person on this site or at any time unless I have first been attacked in such a way. I did not come here to engage in this way. I have come to believe that you might not have an objective bone in your body. Leonard Peikoff says the Objectivist movement is "a closed system and not open to change." I think he was right. I am open to change which is why I came here. That was obviously a mistake. People who have closed minds to the opinions of other and who don't show respect for those opinions (agreed or not) are destined to wallow in a stagnant world, but hey who am I to pass judgement. Its to bad the moderators of this site don't do something about such things. And now I bid you adieu... Probably to a loud chorus of cheers... Phhht
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I shudder a bit at the suggestion of censorship in the form of over moderation, as that does not sound like something that belongs in philosophy.
I also quiver a bit at the use of the word change, unless clearly defined - we have been burned on change for the sake of change.
Without going against Rand's definition of Objectivism, I do feel we all must find the best way to make it part of our daily lives, depending where we are in the learning process. I find no fault with that. I have heard some criticized for not being purists, yet that very reaction is less than pure. I remember tutoring freshmen coming into college, who had no grasp of logic as a subject. It was so difficult for them to grasp, and yet such a triumph when they finally got it. Another time, I saw a sophomore require the rescue squad, in the middle of a discussion of free choice in a class which also included the works of Rand. He actually had an anxiety attack, as the concept was so foreign to him after a public school education. We have to remember that although Rand's ideas came to some of us as if we had found someone thinking our own thoughts, for others, it is a long, and even scarey process. Perhaps it is in our best interest to help them get it, and apply it to a myriad of topics. A wise professor told a class I took, "Times change, people do not." However, we all can learn every day.
Are not moderators persons who exercise control over posts?
Advocating for moderators is advocating for control over the freedom of others to post comments of which she disapproves.
You really don't get that?
If it wouldn't be sent to me too often, I might add something like that, too...
:)
'It's often better to be thought a fool than to open one's mouth and remove all doubt.'
It just needs some art work to measure up.
An absurd question since water-boarding didn't take place for periods remotely like 20 hours. Furthermore it's not a question of whether I minded it or not. These enhanced interrogation methods were used on "suspects" who had in fact been detained during acts of actual terrorism. In addition to that , apparently you are a "low information" voter since you don't seem aware that many of our military in fact are water-boarded as part of their own training. Please make sure you understand the background of a discussion on a subject of this seriousness.
Respectfully yours,
Fred Speckmann
commonsenseforamericans@yahoo.com
I've noticed that about you.
Second... When I mentioned respect it was relating to just leaving the personal attacks out of a conversation thread. What good comes from that? It is no way to grow a conversation.
Second I am a complete newbie to Ayn Rand and the Objectivist way of traversing life. Many of you have commented in ways that have changed my mind about the Objectivist movement not being open to change. I have done some online research and your group has an uphill battle that is certain, but I respect your convictions and sincerely believe in the merit of what you are doing.
Third when I mention moderation it was never meant to infer any kind of censorship... However, civility is key in not only moving a conversation forward but also in learning about the way others (and you) think... Only when participants start throwing stones should and moderator step in and try to diffuse the situation... Not kick people off the site. I have seen some self moderation on this thread and that's great. I have also noticed that like me quite a few of you can be triggered into emotional responses and that can also be detrimental to a conversation. It is an Achilles Heel and I try very hard not to let it happen.
That is what happened between me and a couple of other members.... Sorry about that. I was never a Troll. I came here to learn what you are all about. and I thought posting about things which I have a deep interest in would be a great way to start. Emotion got in the way. I sincerely hope you will accept my apology for any discomfort I may have caused the group.
All the best.
The Real TruthFreedom1
Brian Smith
the antenna one is my favorite, but it's a close call-so many great ones
Your reasoning is the same sort of tribalistic reaction that keeps the "Democrats" fighting with the "Republicans", as if there's much difference.
Where is the difference between a Russian government that wants to spy on Americans and an American administration that wants to spy on Americans? I'd argue that the latter is WORSE.
We saw what happened when Manning published the "Collateral Murder" video. Have you seen that? A video that details the glee with which American military personnel murder innocent people? They way they chomp at the bit for permission to murder a good samaritan who came upon the original scene of carnage, then finally murder him and shoot up his two small children?
Manning tried to elevate concerns through channels, and look where he is now. Snowden tried to elevate things through channels as well, but who can blame him for not wanting to spend years in solitary confinement for helping liberate Americans from their government?
Finally, look at the response of the administration. If they believe Snowden behaved improperly, that's one thing. But what excuse do they have for not pursuing the criminals in the CIA at LEAST as aggressively as they are Snowden?
There is no excuse. They are criminals presiding over other criminals - cockroaches blaming the light that has exposed their criminality.
http://www.plusaf.com/linkedin/_linked-i...
(Yeah, I started collecting them for spammers and morons on some of the Linked In forums.) and some are rated R for language if that bothers you...
I’m going to disagree, regrettably,and not buy that that explanation justifies the actions you took. You are rationalizing. The evidence to what I am saying is in the aftermath of what took place after you posted those particular remarks. No one cared anymore about Snowden or citizen versus non-citizen rights or treason --all they cared about was feeling violated as a reader. You went beyond shocking the senses, you wounded us.In the end:
Snowden, who?
I’m sorry to hear that you don’t drink. I’m still trying to understand why you go so far, and yet..other times..you are really cool to communicate with. (Don’t always agree with you, but I’m not offended normally.) Since you are of sober-mind and by your own words completely aware and have control over what you are doing -- I have nothing to offer in your defense. So, Hiraghm please...lay off the shock-value, lighten up and stick around or don’t.
That's my job.
Don't make me call the shop steward.
Snowden may have only released a tiny portion of the files he took, but he placed himself in the custody... along with his files, of our enemies.
Again, it is between us and our government. He was patriotic... until he ran to hide amongst our enemies.
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