I can't explain the motive, but since they were copying the health care system of Great Britain, and there is no health care there for the middle or lower class, the only conclusion I can draw is that they are trying to copy that system. In other words eliminate health care except for a chosen few that they regulate. See my comments on this post a little more than half way down. http://www.galtsgulchonline.com/posts/28...

Thanks for very helpful historical references. I cannot find a useful word to describe these folks, and agree that neither sheep nor lemmings fit the sleepwalking convinced 'marks'. I have teased CA relatives about all future legislation after takers far exceed fleeing makers. I also agree with the above reference to Cloward and Piven. As you suggest, after an orchestrated chaos, they will beg for rescue by the state.. Regards

Why are you amazed?!? Politicians have been lying for years about how they can fix things that they have no knowledge about at all. All it takes, according to them, is a determination to "do something," and everything will turn out all right. The amazing thing is the inability to learn from over 50 years of failure, as if the acknowledgement of failure was a blotch on their humanity, rather than a facing of facts.

I know he's a Marxist.

She had several rather pithy statements about socialism. I like this exchange:
https://youtu.be/okHGCz6xxiw

This one is even better: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xvz8tg4M...

Wasn't it Margaret Thatcher that said "Socialism works until the money runs out?"

this whole system tried to screw the States, and
many saw it coming. . others are learning, along
the way to Utopia. -- j
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blarman,

I have always kept a set amount of cash on hand for small expenses, like buying lunch, or going to dinner with the family... except for a period of about 5 years when my wife and I were first married. I credit this practice as a keystone to my success financially.

The study backs up what I found. 200 in the wallet last me about two months for incidental expenses. During the same time when using a credit card for 5 years it would be about 4 times as much in small expenses. Makes all the difference in the world over years and years as you can literally save another couple of thousand each year just by carrying cash with you for the small stuff; or at least it was worked that way for me.

I have a sinking feeling that this is not good news for the detractors of Oblablacare. From the article:
"The federal government then declared its intentions to take over the state-based marketplace if it could not secure the funds it needed to operate from the state government, the Star-Advertiser reported back in April. At that time, HHC Executive Director Jeff Kissel was asking for between $9 million and $10 million in state funding to keep the exchange up and running, the article stated."

So if the state-run exchanges fail, the Federal government will rush in and take it over. Voila! Single-payer health care system. Oblabla gets what he wants because the ACA was designed to fail.

Not a single Republican voted for it in 2010, but now that they may be accused of denying health care to people, how many do you think will vote to bail out the states? The best thing they could do is sit back and let it fail, and educate the American people about trusting leaders who promise the moon and the stars in exchange for one little vote.

Maybe our Chairman Presidebt should have studied economics instead of the U.S. Constitution that he once later taught as some kind of scholar.
On second thought, no.
Consider the sociopath that would be giving ammunition to (if he did not Cloward and Piven have it already).

Well stated.

Ideology alone, and Alinsky subterfuge.. What society on the planet would KNOWINGLY vote in statism/totalitarism? There is a slim hope that continuing exchange failures will wake up enough sleeping citizens in time. Regards.

Apart from the higher costs of Obamacare in terms of premiums (gift to the insurance companies for their support), the real stinger is the deductible. $5-$6k per year is WAY above what it used to be, and means ordinary people cannot actually use the subsidized care they thought they were getting cheap. No wonder people dont want to sign up

Maybe the hidden agenda behind Obamacare WAS to have high administrative costs- and more government employment.

The real problem is that the legislators seem to be oblivious to this failed attempt at a program as they are all other failed government programs so they in essence refuse to void, delete, cancel or repeal the program. They just let it ride to the detriment of ultimately the nation.

That is interesting. I think it is easier for me to pay with plastic than with cash...and if I had to pay in gold!!!

Even still, a modicum of common sense would go a long way, even to folks not formally trained in economics.

Jan

Just as an aside, but psychologists actually studied the effects of certain types of payments on the psyche. What they found was quite astonishing - and instructive. People who pay for things using cash actually felt a kind of "pain" associated with the expenditure that served to act as neural feedback and control. People who paid for the same items but used a credit card instead lacked that feedback mechanism. When they correlated the finding to actual spending habits, they found something which was both surprising and not at the same time: that those who used credit cards for the majority of their spending typically ran up large bills and carried huge debt loads, while people who routinely used cash did not. Coincidence? I think not.

So it's a sad ALOHA to Hawaiian Obamacare.

Kenya had Obamacare?

I am not good at math, and have never had economics. But I know that when a penny leaves my hands it should scream as I pinch it.

This is not a difficult lesson.

Jan

We didn't have these issues before the advent of the calculator (which no politician seems to know how to use). So using the numbers in the article: the administrative costs for Obamacare is about $8K per person. This doesn't include the cost of insurance. What a plan.