Socialism

Posted by Kaeaea 11 years, 3 months ago to Government
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Socialism works until you run out of other people's money....short and sweet.

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  • Posted by Wonky 11 years, 3 months ago
    Hmm... is it other people's money, or their will to produce value out of rational self interest? Perhaps socialism works until the last person with any self respect realizes that he/she is providing for everyone else via their personal ambition.
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  • Posted by Robbie53024 11 years, 3 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Have you had contact with any members of the military? Not the Sr Officers (I know several and wouldn't trust them as far as I could throw them), but the rank and file - mid career NCO's and other junior enlisted. The Seals of Lone Survivor are good examples. All you have to do is speak with them and you will understand.
    Now, as I have said several times, the gestapo in the DHS, I have found, will have no such restrictions.
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  • Posted by MikeJoyous 11 years, 3 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Hi Jim:) I think it's important here to distinguish between giving out of love and giving out of moral duty. According to Dr. George Weinberg as well as Nathaniel Branden, if we act upon a specific emotion, we increase the intensity or the durability of that emotion within our psyches. Thus if I help you because I value you, then my warmth towards you increases and my sense of being loyal to my values also increases. If, alternatively, I help you out of fear of divine retribution or social disapproval, then it is fear that is increased within my psyche, fear of God or of my neighbors. Once one accepts that it is right and proper to be fearful or God or one's neighbors, one becomes loyal over time to one's fear-developed values. That loyalty to one's fear-originated values is "altruism." A traditional behaviorist who just observes external actions with no reference to one's motivations might think there is no difference between altruism and loving charity. The psychologist who observes external behavior and *unites* it with his observations of how his own motivations changes in response to changing behaviors (that is what "reason" is about in this domain--the *integration* of feeling with behavior) knows it is, literally, the difference between life and death!
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  • Posted by khalling 11 years, 3 months ago in reply to this comment.
    ok. just read. matt-would you be willing to frame up a post on this? highly educational...
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  • Posted by khalling 11 years, 3 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I know you are referring this comment to hiraghm, robbie- but as much as I admire and respect member of the military-I rarely defer without ample evidence.Please give us some facts so we can discern ourselves.
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  • Posted by TexanSolar 11 years, 3 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I am not confident that it can be reversed. I believe economic collapse is eminent. Where will you be when the Grid goes down. Off-Grid, I hope.
    My solar collector design, the Bradford Collector, will economically provide all of the energy and water requirements of an Off-Grid Home or community. Manufacturing Bradford Collectors and associated systems, and operations and maintenance will provide many jobs for the community.
    But, importantly, it will be possible to comfortably survive the coming Great Depression.
    Please visit offgridtexan.net for more info
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  • Posted by Robbie53024 11 years, 3 months ago in reply to this comment.
    My apologies - thought that I was conversing with Hiraghm. No, I have no indication of your experiences. However, I do have some understanding of the caliber of the volunteer army soldier and what they would/would not do (regardless of the twenty nine palms survey - and those are Marines, whom I admire but have less confidence in their mental stability).
    On the other hand, as I said, the gestapo that makes up the components of the DHS will have no problem firing on fellow citizens. It comes from the basic character of the individual.
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  • Posted by MattFranke 11 years, 3 months ago in reply to this comment.
    What is total foolishness is your presumption that it could never happen here, when it very well could.
    Also, you have no clue about any of my experiences, military or otherwise.
    You may keep your assumptions of me to yourself, and I will defer to you, nothing.
    Good day.
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  • Posted by Robbie53024 11 years, 3 months ago in reply to this comment.
    total foolishness. Since you don't seem to have any first hand military experience, I suggest that you defer to those of us that do.
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  • Posted by Robbie53024 11 years, 3 months ago in reply to this comment.
    the fact that it is a voluntary force, and the caliber of individual that it takes to volunteer.
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  • Posted by MattFranke 11 years, 3 months ago in reply to this comment.
    May is suggest you check your facts about them not firing on citizens. Please research the 'Twenty-nine Palms Survey'
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  • Posted by Hiraghm 11 years, 3 months ago in reply to this comment.
    "The American military will never fire on it's own populace."
    And you base this on what?
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  • Posted by $ Hiraghm 11 years, 3 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I'm making fun of the suggestion that the victims who died in the camps were divided between Jews and Gypsies. Political dissidents, people with something someone in power wanted, people in the wrong place at the wrong time *also* died in the camps.

    Yes, it was terrible that the Jews were targeted for being Jews. But they were roughly 1/3rd of those who died in the camps, and I don't think it right to forget about the rest who died.
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