What would Rand think of Donald J Trump?

Posted by mdk2608 9 years, 8 months ago to Politics
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He is a builder of beautiful buildings. He is an American success story. He gets things done. He is his own man. He is wealthy and is an advocate of capitalism but what would Rand have to say about Trump if she were here today? I have not posted in several weeks so maybe this discussion is redundant but I am curious to see what fellow Gulchers have to say?


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  • Posted by GaryL 9 years, 8 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Once again we do agree but at this point in time I just don't see a third party with enough backing to win the prize and I dam sure do not want 4 or 8 more years of the destruction the dems will cause. I know what you are saying and we certainly don't want to support the RINOS as they are but do the math and there just are not enough of us who feel as we do to carry the ball to the goal. I want my vote to first go against the dems and the only way I see that as a viable option is to vote in the R line unless some wild thing happens on the way to the polls. Sending a message that is never received is a wasted effort and a wasted vote IMHO.
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  • Posted by JBW 9 years, 8 months ago
    She would approve of him. We need somone to fix our foreign policy, as discussed in Winninning the Unwinnable War, and I think he could do it. Jim W.
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  • Posted by overmanwarrior 9 years, 8 months ago in reply to this comment.
    He's certainly not perfect, but I think even as a man of 69 he is still trying to be. And he's not afraid to sell capitalism. I love Cruz but he comes out sounding like Kermit the Frog, and when was the last time a political candidate said he'd "scare the pope" if he needed to?
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  • Posted by IamTheBeav 9 years, 8 months ago in reply to this comment.
    If the one you are referring to in Congress is the man I think you are referring to, he wore an R next to his name, both as a first initial and as a party affiliation.

    The point is that the GOP establishment may be (absolutely is) corrupt, that doesn't mean that individual GOP members are by association. Your cynicism is well founded, but I'd rather drain the tub than to throw the baby out with the dirty bathwater. For me, than means voting for Ted Cruz and NOT voting for Bush, Santorem, Graham, etc.
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  • Posted by wmiranda 9 years, 8 months ago
    One thing I think Rand would like about Trump is that he doesn't worry much about political correctness. Neither did Rand in her times. They both said what they thought was right and damn the PC police.
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  • Posted by freedomforall 9 years, 8 months ago in reply to this comment.
    While I respect your opinion and acknowledge your rationale, the thing you apparently don't recognize is that the GOP is corrupt to the core. Your scenario assumes a system that is equitable and not rigged. This is not the case. The GOP never gives the people a choice that their insiders can't control, and the insiders will keep and increase their power at all costs. If Cruz (or any other candidate) can't be controlled he will either lose, drop out, or have an accident. I have no doubt that this is true of both the GOP and the Dems. I can't prove it to you but the results over the past 60 years show election of many who made claims to represent individual liberty, and only one (in con-gress, not POTUS) who consistently voted that way. He was marginalized by the GOP and the media, and never had any chance to be POTUS because of the inability of voters to recognize when they are being conned, over and oevr and over.
    The only hope for a peaceful return to liberty is to stop believing the lies of the GOP and Dems, stop wasting your votes on them. Leave the statist party. Stop giving your consent to be a slave.
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  • Posted by $ CBJ 9 years, 8 months ago in reply to this comment.
    What "limited circumstances" justify eminent domain? Is a long-time homeowner entitled to more property protection than a land speculator? Ownership is ownership, and a property owner should not be required to justify his or her reasons for owning a particular piece of property.
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  • Posted by IamTheBeav 9 years, 8 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Run the country? How, by presidential fiat? Where has that gotten us in the last 6 and half years? If you listen to his rhetoric, you'd think he was running for king, not president.

    Balance the budget? How? I haven't heard Trump ever say that the budget needed to be balanced. I also have never heard him mention one thing he is going to cut from the budget. Enlighten me.

    Protect your property? I guess he'll protect your property as long as he doesn't want it for himself. You don't happen to own any land near a casino do you?

    You mention 3 specific things you want Trump to do, and he has either not addressed them at all or simply done the exact opposite of what you are saying in real life.

    That brings me to the last thing I am going to say in the discussion with you. You are either a troll (meaning I have been played like a fiddle) or you are an idiot/ignorant of Trump's record or complete lack thereof. Either way, you are not worth my time. Go cast your 2 votes elsewhere, and have a nice day. As for me, I feel dumber for having bothered with you in the first place.
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  • Posted by Turfprint 9 years, 8 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Your not making any sense. I don't want a president who listens to bleeding heart stories and gets involved in social justice. Just run the country, balance the budget, protect my property. Your comments are really better with a violin playing a sad song in the background.
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  • Posted by $ CBJ 9 years, 8 months ago in reply to this comment.
    "Social justice" generally involves redistribution of wealth from those who have earned it to those who have not. Justice in a free enterprise system requires protection of an individual's property against confiscation by other entities, public or private. Big difference.
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  • Posted by Turfprint 9 years, 8 months ago in reply to this comment.
    In some very limited circumstances eminent domain needs to be used. I worked for a major shopping center builder who purchased and held properties all over the country in various blind owner-ships to block projects. And/or expansion of others or just to squeeze. It was fair commerce but affected property values for thousands of surrounding homes and communities.
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  • Posted by Turfprint 9 years, 8 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Obama could not run a hot dog stand successfully. Trump's net worth proves he knows how to make money and how to keep it. That's what I want him to do for America.
    I don't want a president who listens to bleeding heart stories and gets involved in social justice. Just run the country.
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  • Posted by TomSwift 9 years, 8 months ago
    Ayn Rand would be appalled at the entire lineup of candidates. Can you imagine her reply if any one of those statists told her that she would not be allowed an abortion if she so desired?

    Trump is an embarrassment to the American people. If he is the best the Republicans can come up with, they are giving the election got the Democrats.
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  • Posted by IamTheBeav 9 years, 8 months ago in reply to this comment.
    So, you're more in the Orren Boyle school of thought instead of the Hank Readen school?

    If it's all the same to you, I'll build my own business with principles I can believe in and sleep well with at night. If the Machiavellian mindset works for you, you're welcome to it. I'd rather build value for myself and my clients where we both benefit than to buy a favor from some politician so I can jam my power down someone's else's throat.

    This garbage about how that "won't cut it in the actual business world where profit is life or death for the company and payroll for its employees" is pure horse manure. Anybody espousing the trash you're spewing likely has no idea what building a real business is like.

    Go vote for Trump if you like, but don't come crying to me when you get an unprincipled, loudmouth, incompetent windbag jamming more government policies nobody ever voted for down your throat.

    As for me, I'm voting for Ted Cruz.
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  • Posted by IamTheBeav 9 years, 8 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I'm with CBJ on this on. Voting for an incredibly sorry establishment windbag because you are against the even sorrier Democrat windbag is not way to ever get the change that we need so badly in DC. If a progressive Dubya, McCain and Romney will tax and spend this country into oblivion a little slower than an even more progressive Gore, Obama or Hillary, is that really a good thing? Suddenly we go from destroying our childrens' futures to destroying a grandchildrens' futures, and we pat ourselves on the back for it? I don't think so.

    I'd rather destroy the GOP as it stands now (Democrat Lite) than to support it simply because it's a slightly tastier pile of manure than the Democrat Party. Instead, I will vote only FOR the candidates that I believe in, regardless of how it impacts the election results. Give me a Tea Party/Libertarian guy any day of the week. If that guy happens to wear a GOP label as my chosen candidate, Ted Cruz, does, then that's all the better.
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  • Posted by $ CBJ 9 years, 8 months ago in reply to this comment.
    True, but Trump is not opposed to eminent domain. He endorsed the Supreme Court's Kelo decision in 2005.
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  • Posted by CircuitGuy 9 years, 8 months ago in reply to this comment.
    "The desire to make a profit does not justify seizing the property of others against their will."
    Are you saying Trump has done this?
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  • Posted by $ Thoritsu 9 years, 8 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Good idea. Love to see how these comments look in the rear view mirror.

    Boy would I like to see John C Dvorak be required to stand on a pedestal and read the nonsense he wrote in the late 80's regarding the Macintosh vs PC! He'd have to choke on every word while any crowd the bothered would laugh his ego away.
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  • Posted by $ CBJ 9 years, 8 months ago in reply to this comment.
    The theory that an R or D will win the White House is not a slam dunk. Ross Perot had a decent chance for a while in 1992. Trump could conceivably win as an Independent. Votes for minor parties send a message to the major parties not to take their constituents for granted. Votes for major parties endorse "business as usual," and provide those parties with no incentive to change.
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