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  • Posted by blackswan 9 years, 5 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Then invade Mexico and annex the whole thing. You're dancing around the solution. Shoot invaders.
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  • Posted by blackswan 9 years, 5 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Do you mean ALL social benefits like work, school, medical care (other than emergency), etc., not just entitlements?
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  • Posted by blackswan 9 years, 5 months ago in reply to this comment.
    The First Cavalry Division is based in TX. I'm sure that they could do the job, even without a fence. If not, throw in the 101st Airborne.
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  • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 9 years, 5 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Just to make sure I had a three way comparison made. Didn't want someone to mistake your for a California protest leader...

    criminate.

    All three words trace their origin to the Latin verb migrare, “to remove from one place to another.” This common ancestor gives English four verbs:

    migrate: to move, either temporarily or permanently, from one place, area, or country of residence to another

    emigrate: (e, “out” + migrate) to remove out of country for the purpose of settling in another.

    immigrate: (im, “in, into” + migrate) to come to settle in a country not one’s own; to pass into a new place of residence.

    I'm supposing a migrant in one sense is first an emigrant then a an immigrant. however remembering Steinbeck and Migrant labors they never seemed to arrive just kept going. As in migrant farm workers. One of my cousins does that on a regular basis moving combine harvesters south to north to maintenance and begin again. His machine is Finnegan.
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  • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 9 years, 5 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I knew I could draw it out and didn't presume to put words in your mouth just get them out. Four points.
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  • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 9 years, 5 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Except for AIDs.They just let her rip and spread and spread and spread.....All it took was one flight attendant on a French passenger aircraft.
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  • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 9 years, 5 months ago in reply to this comment.
    English lesson time. A migrant is one who is leaving a country. An immigrant is one who is entering a country. They are the same individual. Let's rephrase a wall helps with criminal aliens entering without any documentation.
    BUT what wall? Once away from easy viewing i'ts just a fence and ha ha the Border Patrol is too busy doing paperwork to accomplish their stated mission.
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  • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 9 years, 5 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Most of it is desert. The rest is desert like mountains. All of Texas, all of New Mexico, All of Arizona and all of California. Let me see... one two three four yup that's most of it. Already populated with all kinds of bugs, insects, snakes, and other critters. no extra charge.Besides why discuss it to death. We're in a reverse or negative immigration posture meaning more going back than coming up. Why? Because there aren't any jobs regardless what the pinheads in the M2F Media spin.
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  • Posted by $ Olduglycarl 9 years, 5 months ago
    The wall in Germany was to keep the people on the communist side in; where as, a wall between us a Mexico is to keep mexican's out...but nothin stoppin them from going any where else!?!?
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  • Posted by conscious1978 9 years, 5 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Michael, your assumptions could not be further from what I am in "favor of". You're usually better at underlying premises.

    My rationale was clear. Nothing I said precludes a proper national defense. History? Look at all the money wasted on the "Fence". We were promised back then that it would do all the things the "Wall" is supposed to do. Giving the government a second chance for a more expensive, screwed up, ineffective solution is stupidity, at best,...look at their track record in recent decades.
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  • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 9 years, 5 months ago in reply to this comment.
    All of that is a side issue to the central questions. Why would a country not protect it's borders, itself and it's citizens? Is a country that cannot protect itself a country? What torch are you burning to want a country, any country to render itself defenseless. From the state of and style of your remarks I would assume that you and a few of the usual new and temporary would be in favor of a country whose government can't or won't protect itself and it's citizens so iyou might answer that question. Nor would I expect you to want to improve or replace such a government. Another question to answer. Explain in some detail with cites your last sentence. Define wall believers, how are they b eing played. How many of them as a percentage of population? How do these ideas historically manifest themselves? And don't forget the flip side of those discussion points you put on the table.

    I'll enjoy reading but as for now...Where's the beef?
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  • Posted by $ jdg 9 years, 5 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Walls like that have been built twice -- in China, and in Britain (Hadrian's Wall). Neither produced any result other than to waste the money and effort spent to build them. If you can't man the entire wall when the horde approaches, they'll simply knock holes in it and you can play Whack-a-mole until you get tired of it, without accomplishing anything.
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  • Posted by $ jdg 9 years, 5 months ago in reply to this comment.
    It's already happening. And 20 million of them are already here legally, so it's a little late to try to lock the barn door even if it were moral.

    All our immigration laws accomplish is to ensure that any bad guys (criminals, terrorists) who want to get in will have an easy time of it, because the border patrol isn't looking for them in particular but for everybody who wants to enter. The real crooks get lost in the noise.
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  • Posted by RonC 9 years, 5 months ago
    East Germany's wall was built to keep people in. Our wall, at least to start, is to keep people out. We can never tell what a benevolent dictator in the future would make of it.
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  • Posted by commonsenseisneeded 9 years, 5 months ago
    It seems that many people misunderstand the concept and problems that come with a wall on our southern border.

    Building the wall is certainly possible for a nation that was the first to land a man on the moon.

    The problem is not building, but electing a president and a Congress that is capable of understanding the problems of murder and mayhem being committed by ISIS and other jihadist movements. When they finally and honestly are willing to deal with these jihadist, then and only then can these problems be dealt with.

    The same honesty and willingness to solve the problems of illegal immigrants can then be dealt with. The key words being "honest," a concept totally foreign to most of our politicians.

    While I'm not a devotee of Trump, I must admit that he does have his finger on the pulse of our problems and I also have little doubt that he is fully capable of building the needed wall and the needed legislation, not to mention enforcement of our laws. Unfortunately, he also has many problems including being a megalomaniac that would force me to ignore his candidacy as I can't bring myself to trust a man that has been on all sides of these issues, not to mention being a previous supporter of the Clinton's.
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  • Posted by $ WilliamShipley 9 years, 5 months ago in reply to this comment.
    There is a lock on the door of your house. There is a lock on a prison cell. The only difference is who has the key.
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