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Trump - Who should own America? The Feds or the States

Posted by $ HarmonKaslow 9 years, 3 months ago to Politics
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From a Field and Stream Interview last week (Jan 22, 2016):
Interviewer: I’d like to talk about public land. Seventy percent of hunters in the West hunt on public lands managed by the federal government. Right now, there’s a lot of discussion about the federal government transferring those lands to states and the divesting of that land. Is that something you would support as President?

Donald Trump: I don’t like the idea because I want to keep the lands great, and you don’t know what the state is going to do. I mean, are they going to sell if they get into a little bit of trouble? And I don’t think it’s something that should be sold. We have to be great stewards of this land. This is magnificent land. And we have to be great stewards of this land. And the hunters do such a great job—I mean, the hunters and the fishermen and all of the different people that use that land. So I’ve been hearing more and more about that.


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  • Posted by ohiocrossroads 9 years, 3 months ago
    Does Trump even listen to what he's saying? About the States taking over Federal lands, he says: "I mean, are they going to sell if they get into a little bit of trouble?"

    Well, what about the Federal government selling those lands? With $19 trillion of National Debt, and $100 trillion in unfunded liabilities, I think we could say the Federal government is in trouble. I know he's talked many times before about the country being in trouble, and Federal debt and liabilities are a big part of the trouble. This is why I don't like Trump; he'll say anything to appeal to as many people as he needs to get elected. Then what he does when he gets into office will be a big surprise to many people.
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  • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 9 years, 3 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Article 4 Section II paragraph 2 It's been in effect for.....240 some years? Those who don't like that particular portion have had the same amount of time to offer an amendment....but so far....have not done so.
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  • Posted by wiggys 9 years, 3 months ago
    nobody "owns" america, america is a land mass between canada on the north, mexico and the gulf of mecxico on the south, the atlantic on the east and the pacific on the west. as for how the land mass is divided up, individuals should be able to own what ever part they can afford. states should then be responsible for what we refer to as "public land" for which state taxes are used to maintain.
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  • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 9 years, 3 months ago in reply to this comment.
    But you addressed SHOULD and not IS and with that I agree with you and further would like to see all unused federal land either transferred to or rent paid on to if used to the States.
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  • Posted by $ CBJ 9 years, 3 months ago
    Trump may not be aware of the huge amount of land in the western states that is owned by the federal government (somewhere around 88% here in Nevada), and unfortunately the interviewer didn't enlighten him.
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  • Posted by scojohnson 9 years, 3 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Technically, by the constitution, power not specifically enumerated for the federal government is reserved for the states.
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  • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 9 years, 3 months ago in reply to this comment.
    There is no undeeded land ALL land brought into the union by comes to and through the federal government. There is nothing about 'in trust' int he Constitution . The federal government starts with 100 of everything and typically the state and local division are decided on and agreed upon as part of the package. Nothing is left over. States do not take possession without federal permission. So sayeth Article IV Section II Paragraph 2. That is if the constitution is still in force in which case it may be a property tax free gift by Executive Decision to....Michelle?
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  • Posted by sowen228 9 years, 3 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Agreed. However with Agenda 21, more that likely the U.S. government will give the land to the United Nations for "preservation" meaning no one can enter, use, or enjoy as it is a "human-free" area. If the lackey in washington thought that would gain them anything; it would have already been done.
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  • Posted by $ allosaur 9 years, 3 months ago in reply to this comment.
    When Trump is out of his element--let's metaphorically call it water--he flounders pretty good, doesn't he?.
    Sales people have a knack at that.
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  • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 9 years, 3 months ago
    However and here' s the rest of the story the question was not who DOES own the land in question but who SHOULD own the land in question.

    Any State wishing to expand their geographic responsibility only has to apply to Congress for for a transfer of title from Federal to State. Some pieces are given by the Federal Government an example being the Planet Ord or Fort Ord near Monterey California. When the base was closed it went under local government ownership. Same with El Toro Marine base and aviation site which was turned in to three or four golf courses with private air plane airport and a lot of illegal aliens but the local citizens got to pay for the water to keep the greeens green.

    Who should own the land? The citizens of the country instead you just get to pay for the cost. Just think of it as condo ownership. First you buy then you rent and then you pay taxes same as any land 'ownership' in the USA. You only get the right to mantain, assume laibility, and pay annual rent. End of property rights.
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  • Posted by $ allosaur 9 years, 3 months ago in reply to this comment.
    The feds uses the authority of law enforcement.
    Yes, my above statement is sarcastic and a failure for answering your question. You can still get yourself arrested, though.
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  • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 9 years, 3 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Article IV Section II Paragraph 2. You get the short version the explanation is in a preceding comment.
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  • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 9 years, 3 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Article IV Section II Paragraph 2. When new territories were or are brought into or under control of the United States they are brought in as federal property in total unless the act of acquisition states otherwise. If States desire more acreage they apply for transfer. Tiypically states do not apply for land which would require an outlay of budget when they can get the benefit of the use of that land at no cost. Logging for example.

    Thus ends the ConLaw lesson for the day. The right to own land was a right granted Temaklos found 'use of land ' but not ' control of land.' Have to read the whole document.

    Moot point. With the Bill of Rights effectively gone whose to stop them doing what they want?
    Should have paid attention to the New Years Eve speech of our Dictator in Chief and his heavily supporting power base in the US Congress.

    Overwhelming majority both sides of the ha ha aisle You elected and sent them.
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  • Posted by LibertyBelle 9 years, 3 months ago
    I don't see why the land should be government-
    owned in the first place. And I have a problem
    with the notion that the only government oppres-
    sion is Federal power. The land should belong to
    whoever first fences it in and cultivates it. (Or at
    least, fences it in). As the the present "govern-
    ment" land (uncultivated, I mean), it should ei-
    ther be put up at public auction, or thrown open
    to people going in and settling it.
    I don't like state government oppression,
    either: for instance, slavery and Jim Crow.
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  • Posted by Herb7734 9 years, 3 months ago
    Whatinell did he say?
    I could attribute several meanings to his sentencing. I think he answers that way so that different people can hear what they want to hear. Some hear what they don't want to hear, and for them, since what he said was in reality unclear, he can change the meaning to suit them. He's a negotiator alright. Can we get rid of him? Maybe offer him one of the small Hawaiian islands?
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  • Posted by term2 9 years, 3 months ago in reply to this comment.
    There is no competition built into the federal government. Having individual states guarantees at least SOME competition. It would be better not to have states, and leave laws to smaller more competitive entities. We need competition in government and free movement so people can move out of the bad areas into the well run areas.
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  • Posted by term2 9 years, 3 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Trump would make a FAR better president than Hillary or Sanders. He does understand much more about private property than the others EVER will.

    Sanders is honest at least, which I give him credit for, but he assumes there is a money tree out there that just grows and grows by itself without human intervention and can supply everything that anyone would ever want.

    Hillary is a chameleon. I have no idea what her positions are, since it depends on the wind. She is in a race with Sanders to figure out how to increase taxes.

    At least Trump will slow down the movement to socialism in the USA. He wont stop it, because the president cant on his own, and he isnt very consistent on the subject of private property and human rights. BUT, he is a businessman and will undoubtedly be a good administrator of the federal government.
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  • Posted by ChasBrey 9 years, 3 months ago
    Where in the Constitution is the justification for the Feds to hold all this land?
    Its my understanding that the Feds hold the land of territories in trust until they become states, when the state takes possession and control of undeeded real property.
    What authority grants the deed to previously undeeded and undeveloped land?
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  • Posted by term2 9 years, 3 months ago
    The government shouldnt own any land. In fact, since our federal government is bankrupt and owes so much, it should sell the land to individuals and pay off the national debt.
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  • Posted by Temlakos 9 years, 3 months ago
    I disagree. In fact, under the Constitution the States should own the land. The Constitution authorizes the federal government to buy land with the consent of the respective State governors and for military or administrative purposes. The Constitution spells this out: "Forts, magazines, arsenals, dockyards, and other needful buildings." I don't think some blockhouse on federal grazing land constitutes a needful building.
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  • Posted by conscious1978 9 years, 3 months ago in reply to this comment.
    How true. Don't know which is worse, Hillary's delusional fantasies or Trump's childish, 'I'm gonna take my toys and leave 'cause you're mean to me' petulance....

    Neither understand the meaning of private property.
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  • Posted by ObjectiveAnalyst 9 years, 3 months ago
    Hello Mr. Kaslow,
    Trump is a Teddy Roosevelt kind of republican... in many unfortunate ways.
    Regards,
    O.A.
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