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Open Objectivism

Posted by DavidKelley 9 years, 2 months ago to Philosophy
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For reference:
Fact and Value: https://www.galtsgulchonline.com/post...
The Leonard Peikoff/David Kelley intellectual exchange: https://www.galtsgulchonline.com/post...
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As the person who first raised the issue of tolerance and of open vs. closed Objectivism—and the person whose position has been under consideration in recent posts—I’d like first of all to thank Walter Donway for his articulate explanation and defense of the position we share. To weigh in with additional thoughts:

1. Historically, the debate began in 1989 when Peter Schwartz attacked me for speaking to a libertarian organization, the Laissez-Farire Books supper club. I responded with a 4-page open letter ( http://atlassociety.org/about-us/abou... ) mailed (in pre-internet days) to my Objectivist colleagues, including Schwartz and Peikoff among others. I advocated tolerance in the service of the open expansion of Objectivism:

“There is much we can learn from others if we are willing to listen. And even where they are wrong, we strengthen the foundations of our own beliefs—the accuracy and range of our observations, the validity of our concepts, the rigor of our arguments—by the effort to prove why they are wrong.

“That’s why every age of reason has welcomed diversity and debate. The great minds of the Enlightenment declared war on the entire apparatus of intolerance: the obsession with official or authorized doctrine, the concepts of heresy and blasphemy, the party lines and intellectual xenophobia, the militant hostility among rival sects, the constant schisms and breaks, the character assassination of those who fall from grace. These are the techniques of irrational philosophies, such as Christianity or Marxism, and may well have been vital to their success. But they have no place in a philosophy of reason.

Ayn Rand left us a magnificent system of ideas. But it is not a closed system. It is a powerful engine of integration. Let us not starve it of fuel by shutting our minds to what is good in other approaches. Let us test our ideas in open debate. If we are right, we have nothing to fear; if we are wrong, we have something to learn. Above all, let us encourage independent thought among ourselves. Let us welcome dissent, and the restless ways of the explorers among us. Nine out of ten new ideas will be mistakes, but the tenth will let in the light.”

That excerpt should make it clear that toleration of and engagement with those we disagree with is not the primary issue. The primary issue is whether Objectivism is open or closed as a philosophical system. If it’s open, we benefit from engagement. If closed, why bother? The open character is the founding principle of The Atlas Society, and we have pursued it many ways. An example is my work on benevolence as a virtue, which, as Walter explains, is grounded in basic values of Objectivism. That said, we are rigorous about what work we endorse: it must be consistent with established Objectivist principles, as hundreds of pages of exposition on our website will attest.

2. To my knowledge, this was the first time any Objectivist thinker has raised the issue of open vs. closed. I thought the open character was obvious; I thought my Objectivist colleagues were pursuing new Objectivist insights. “Fact and Value” was Peikoff’s response, saying that the philosophy was closed. I replied to his essay at length in The Contested Legacy pf Ayn Rand, esp. Chap 5. ( http://atlassociety.org/about-us/abou... ) No principal in Peikoff’s camp has responded to my arguments in 25 years. Meanwhile, I gave a talk on the issues in 2010, “Truth and Toleration Twenty Years Later” ( http://atlassociety.org/about-us/abou... ).

My friends in the Gulch, this is an important issue and well worth debating. Having been party to this argument for 25 years, I hope my writing here today provides some historical context for those pursuing the issue in earnest. I'll try to answer any questions you might have.


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  • Posted by $ blarman 9 years, 2 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Well said. Truth is truth. Deception comes through repetition of falsehood (Goebbels) which can only be combated by repetition of truth and a thorough, open discussion.
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  • Posted by Zenphamy 9 years, 2 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Dr. Kelly; Txs for the response. You touch on a subject dear to my heart in the comparative optimistic impact of Objectivist living vs. political change. I hope to get to your book later this week.
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  • Posted by CircuitGuy 9 years, 2 months ago
    I listened to one of the talks and hope to listen to the other one tomorrow. I found it interesting. I am surprised at the amount of politics among Objectivists. I don't mean that to be critical. I may have had an unrealistic idea of Objectivism overcoming human foibles. I like that they (in this case Dr. Kelly) are addressing the issue head on and pointing out that the average non-philosopher just wants to learn something and doesn't care about the politics.
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    Posted by 9 years, 2 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Thanks, Zenphamy. In answer to one of your questions, regarding current day-to-day lives, I wrote in Chap 5 of Contested Legacy:
    "Objectivism is more than a theoretical structure; it is a philosophy to live by. Over time, the accumulated experience of those who practice it will produce a moral tradition, a body of reflection about the issues that arise in applying the principles."
    I think this prediction is being confirmed. I know many business and life coaches, educators, and others who are dealing with living the principles; TAS has published articles and talks on the subject (as has ARI). I am optimistic about the growth of insights and tools for living as an Objectivist--more optimistic about that, frankly, than about political change.
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  • Posted by Mamaemma 9 years, 2 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Hey, K! Betcha you're not bored anymore! I learn so much from these kind of posts. Thank you. Dr, Kelley!
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  • Posted by Zenphamy 9 years, 2 months ago
    Dr. Kelly; I'm personally glad to see you commenting and posting on this issue. But it seems to me that so much of the conversation over the last few days here on the site has been much more about the 'who, what, when,...' of the argument, rather than about the meat of the issue itself.

    Personal Opinion: The philosophy of Objectivism in order to 'live and breath' has to be 'open' to discovery, development, and further integration and exposition into the current day-to-day lives of America. How does that happen? Is that an Intellectual driven task? Does openness to debate and discussion with anyone with other ideas really help or does it provide audiences and a level of credibility for arguments against Obectivism? What's your perception of the proposed AS TV series in relation to the above goal?
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  • Posted by khalling 9 years, 2 months ago
    comment from the peanut gallery: on this board-very few who are critical of the work of Dr. Kelley and TAS use their real NAME. speaks VOLUMES to me
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    Posted by $ jbrenner 9 years, 2 months ago
    What makes Objectivism such an admirable philosophy is its logical construction. All philosophies go into a crucible of international debate. Few, if any, emerge from that crucible. I think that Objectivism is one such philosophy that can take the fire of the crucible. Shielding Objectivism from debate does Objectivism a disservice. It can withstand the scrutiny.
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  • Posted by ut91t05 9 years, 2 months ago
    Question: What am I Missing? What is not compatible between Objectivism and a Laissez - faire book group or any libertarian group in general.
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  • Posted by Technocracy 9 years, 2 months ago
    Thank you Dr Kelley.

    The more input from principals the better for this discussion.
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  • Posted by dbhalling 9 years, 2 months ago
    Thank you Dr. Kelley,

    Below is my experience for why I think it is important that all rational lines of inquiry have to be open.

    In my exploration of economics I found that the economists (not Rand's ideas) I generally agreed with had failed to answer some important questions and were inconsistent with Rand. I began to be bored and unsatisfied with reading endless articles and books that repeated the same arguments. My first hint about how to solve these problems in economics came from a book "Farewell to Alms" that is not objectivist and challenged some of the standard line of free market economists like Friedman, Hayek, Mises and others.

    In the end I have drawn on a number of economists ideas that did not spend all their time preaching the same arguments for free markets and capitalism (echo chamber). I have also been attacked for not just supporting the orthodoxy of for instance "Austrian Economics." I have even suggested that Malthus and the environmentalist have some valid points that need to be addressed and I do not think were addressed adequately by mainstream free market economics. I think that I have now answered them and in the process found some important insights into economics.

    This would not have happened if I thought Rand and free market economics were "perfect" or closed.
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  • Posted by edweaver 9 years, 2 months ago
    Thank you for posting this info for consideration. I agree this is worth debating and I am learning much. I have often thought of Objectivism to be quite easy to understand but finding it to be very complicated at the same time.
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