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  • Posted by ycandrea 9 years ago
    I always marvel when watching John Stossel's show at the wide array of opinions from the audience who are for the most part Objectivists. We are all free thinkers and still learning but we share the basic truths that reality exists and that our life is our own and that our mind is our greatest tool to survive.
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  • Posted by johnpe1 9 years ago
    Rich, I contend that looking for positive value in others
    allows objectivists to accept non-proselytizing Christians,
    for example -- and it's not a compromise. . nothing is
    "given up" in many instances of value acceptance.
    if Richard Halley were muslim, would it not still be good
    to enjoy his music? -- j
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  • Posted by philosophercat 9 years ago in reply to this comment.
    Having been present in almost all of those conflicts I can tell you they were intensely personal about lies and falsifications until about the 1989 end of the Jefferson School and I blame that on one person's failure to understand his own values. So issues in principle and personal can be perpetual if there is no agreement on a common principle.
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  • Posted by term2 9 years ago in reply to this comment.
    Interesting, on the global warming stuff. I think the issue is whether human actions are upsetting the normal cyclical nature of weather can be of interest. Whether the earth is warming or cooling by itself on a cyclical basis is pretty much a matter of history.
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  • Posted by khalling 9 years ago in reply to this comment.
    well one of the most famous rifts in Objectivism has been going on for decades. so to say that it would only be over chocolate and vanilla would not be accurate.
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  • Posted by 9 years ago in reply to this comment.
    In AS Judge Narragansett settled disputes that arose. I'm thinking if a real Gulch existed that strong personalities would eventually collide. Could differences be resolved well enough for the Gulch to continue? I don't know.
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  • Posted by Kittyhawk 9 years ago in reply to this comment.
    I agree. I'm actually rereading the Gulch portion of Atlas Shrugged right now, and they allowed the free market to decide who would hold which profession.

    From Part Three, Chapter I Atlantis, when John Galt is giving Dagny a tour of the valley, and they visit Stockton's foundry: "He's a sculptor," said Stockton, "When I came here, he and his partner had a sort of combination hand-forge and repair shop. I opened a real foundry, and took all of their customers away... He's making more money now, in shorter hours, than he used to make in his own foundry."

    The alternative would be to say that certain professions, such as judges and doctors, will be regulated and licensed by some governing body. But these kinds of mandatory professional monopolies are typically created to protect the profession from competition, and not for the protection of the consumer, so I would hope this wouldn't have a place in the Gulch.
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  • Posted by philosophercat 9 years ago in reply to this comment.
    Possible but look at the assumptions they are making. First that they are using reason. Second that each observes the same world. Third, that the language they are using is the same such that they each know what the other said.
    By the time you work out all the things they have to have in common to have a decades long debate you will see its a none principled issue. Debates of chocolate vs vanilla can go on. The validity of the senses cannot.
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  • Posted by tdechaine 9 years ago in reply to this comment.
    Yes, lack of K can lead to disagreements.
    The rational person with the most knowledge will be right. E.g. the true evidence re global warming says no significant warming, but those who do not choose to see the evidence or are simply emotional on the subject will disagree.
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  • Posted by 9 years ago in reply to this comment.
    I got that from a fictional story on Facebook that someone wrote. The reasoning in his story was that the community was too small for multiple Judges.
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  • Posted by $ rockymountainpirate 9 years ago in reply to this comment.
    Guess I better change my moving plans, lol. I know what you mean. I really do love the face to face with O's though, but the fact it's not available on a daily basis adds value to when it happens.
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  • Posted by $ Olduglycarl 9 years ago in reply to this comment.
    Way to specific to even think that...the long and short of it is, as Ayn stated...we just don't know so better to use our nature to act in our own self (celf) interest.
    I doubt we'll ever figure it out but we will learn more as time goes on...if we survive all the current perversions.
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  • Posted by jimjamesjames 9 years ago
    "Atlas Snubbed" addresses those concerns, what, shall we say, "adjustments," need to be made in the course of interactions doing business in the fictional Gulch.
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