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Orlando Victims Did Not Die Because They Were Gay--They Were Unarmed!

Posted by $ allosaur 8 years, 10 months ago to News
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Tomorrow I plan to visit a gun store(s) to add one or two firearms to my collection.
This retired state worker can afford to since I inherited some money.
Thinking of a 9mm carbine since some day it may be very hard to find or afford .223-cal AR15 ammo.
Thinking 9mm and .38-cal. ammo will hopefully always be out there somewhere.
I will build up my ammo hoard regardless.
Left over from my corrections career and semi-retired security guard days, I have three revolver speed loaders that will hold preferable .357 Magnum rounds as well as .38s.
The revolver I seek fires both like one I used to have before I traded it for a .45 I no longer have either.
PC old dino ain't.
I even keep both a shotgun and a Bible in reach my bed. Not to mention six inches of steel in an old-fashioned Italian switchblade.
Obama has to hate how I cling to certain things. What can I say?
I'm just an old dino. And allosaurs were North Americans.


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  • Posted by $ blarman 8 years, 10 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Two points I would make:

    1. Neither software nor materials can act of their own accord (software is a special case). We don't worry about cars turning themselves on and running people over. People are agents, however. They can and should deserve treatment accordingly which IMO includes a background check or other suitability test prior to entry.

    2. I agree that there is paperwork, but I happen to support the paperwork - not because of its impediments to business but because I support going back to tax collection based on trade tariffs the way the original Constitution was set up.
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  • Posted by CircuitGuy 8 years, 10 months ago in reply to this comment.
    "I am waiting for an explanation into why you feel the way you do. You left the conversation hanging "
    This point is totally true. I try to keep the answers short, slightly longer than a tweet. It's quantity rather than quality. If it doesn't fit in a paragraph, I just say "disagree with #2, #3, and #4," which is totally useless information from me, unless you're doing an opinion survey. I wouldn't do that if I were talking to you in person or writing an article, but b/c it's goofing off on the computer so... I see why it's dumb now.
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  • Posted by CircuitGuy 8 years, 10 months ago in reply to this comment.
    "Its not like they have a right to come here and we are denying them whats due them"
    I agree. I just think it's the right thing to do and a good policy for all concerned.

    If coming from a religious tradition that involves killing non-believers is reason not to enter a country, that's basically a blanket rule that affects most of humankind.
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  • Posted by CircuitGuy 8 years, 10 months ago in reply to this comment.
    "you don't get your visa unless you agree to live by the rules of the host nation."
    Absolutely. I'm just generally for liberalizing laws about what can cross the border. We already send software easily, but there's all this paperwork to move people and materials. It's a vestige from an earlier age.
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  • Posted by starznbarz 8 years, 10 months ago
    I`m an hour or so west of Orlando, been here many decades. My first inclination is the old truth "I would rather be judged by 12 than carried by 6" my second inclination is to offer the advice of a little .22 wheelgun for a back up daily carry, you can carry 500 rounds in one pocket and everything shot in the ear drops right now. I would also note there is a reason old dinosaurs are old...
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  • Posted by ObjectiveAnalyst 8 years, 10 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Hello richrobinson,
    Hear, hear. It would be good if our government wasn't setting up more kill zones of that nature too.
    Regards,
    O.A.
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  • Posted by lrshultis 8 years, 10 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Since it is a war against ISIS and the soldiers are the citizens of the USA, unarmed soldiers are not a good check on attacks. It would be best in a war to see that all able body and mentally sound citizens who are willing be free to arm themselves both privately and publicly. Then there would be less likelihood of a Fox news person to ask the Florida congressman whether more armed security would have made a difference in Orlando. His answer was that things would have been worse. I got the same answer from a woman friend. I think that would be the answer by a good portion of the citizens.
    I feel real under armed from those here. All I have is a single shot .22 air rifle. Unless lucky and shooting into an eye socket, not much stopping power. In the village where liberty has a tightening noose about it, that air rifle is illegal to own. It would be illegal to shoot it in my basement because the law says that no projectile can legally land within the village limits. They blank out since kids throw stones, baseballs, footballs, and even shoot basketballs, all projectiles landing within the village limits.
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  • Posted by Herb7734 8 years, 10 months ago in reply to this comment.
    If I had an AR-15 pointed at me and the person wielding it had the drop on me or I was unarmed, I would merely comply. Getting stitched up with one of those could be a bit uncomfortable.
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  • Posted by $ blarman 8 years, 10 months ago in reply to this comment.
    It's not about approval at this point, but communication. A major part of communication is establishing a common frame of reference. This is where specifics and details and definitions are critical. When I ask for such it is an honest attempt to see things from your perspective. When you fail to present any such, it frustrates these attempts and tells me that you aren't interested in conversation, you just want people to nod and agree. If you want that, you're on the wrong forum.

    "I agree with 1 out of 4 of your suggested related policies, yet you still respond curtly."

    I am waiting for an explanation into why you feel the way you do. You left the conversation hanging by asserting something and then offering nothing further: "Those reasons are in some ways related to why I disagree with #2, #3, and #4." (emphasis added) What are "those reasons" you refer to?

    "It seems like people in favor of less gov't are a circular firing squad."

    What a random sentence! You haven't proposed anything with a connection to "less government". You throw out a statement not only accusing me ("some people") of wronging you (putting you before the "firing squad") but somehow also being to blame for not reading your mind! If you want me to see things from your perspective, give me something to work with.
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  • Posted by $ Tap2Golf 8 years, 10 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I am all in for having weapons that use the same ammo. At least only a few different easily available calibers, like 9mm, 22lr and 380. Makes life a lot easier. And lots of extra mags. Everyone has a few collector items. That doesn't count when talking about self defense.
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  • Posted by $ Tap2Golf 8 years, 10 months ago in reply to this comment.
    There are several levels of "background" checks. Low level ones are practically worthless. Some agencies do not like to share information. Kind of defeats the purpose of a background check. When everything is computerized as it is today, there shouldn't be any excuse for many of these terrorists and other criminals to slip by...IMO
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  • Posted by term2 8 years, 10 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Given that its a humanitarian thing to let the syrian refugees come to the USA and get "resettled" with our money, why take the risk when its in the islamic "bible" to kill infidels ? Its not like they have a right to come here and we are denying them whats due them. Trump is right on this one, not that he is the first to say it. I thought that as soon as I heard about the syrian refugees, and in particular what happened in Germany when they took them in.
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  • Posted by DeanStriker 8 years, 10 months ago
    The author of the linked article was Brandon Smith, one of the too-few good guys on this planet. It was first published on his website http://alt-market.com. That piece is about the only article yet posted which gets to the root of common sense.

    Obviously few bothered to go to the link, or this discussion would be much different.
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  • Posted by CircuitGuy 8 years, 10 months ago in reply to this comment.
    "winning you points."
    I'm actually not seeking anyone's approval. I'm more of a Roark wannabe in that regard.

    It's odd that I agree with your conclusions (e.g. not restricting guns and not having to answer bogus questions like "what about mass murder?" and "nobody needs....") and I agree with 1 out of 4 of your suggested related policies, yet you still respond curtly. It seems like people in favor of less gov't are a circular firing squad.
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  • Posted by $ blarman 8 years, 10 months ago in reply to this comment.
    "we can never vet people and predict if they're going to commit crimes"

    Correct. It has to do with presumption of innocence and that rights are never constrained or until after one has been tried and convicted in court with the opportunity to present their defense. It's also the reason why denying gun ownership based on one's presence on the "no-fly" list is blatantly un-Constitutional, since no prosecution is required to be added to the list.

    That being said, we most certainly can require that anyone entering the country agree to live according to our laws while they act as guests. I don't know if you've applied for a visa in a foreign country or not, but most of them are pretty explicit in that you don't get your visa unless you agree to live by the rules of the host nation. It doesn't mean we know whether or not they are going to commit a crime, but we can sure be proactive and let them know the expectation. For those being granted special status for entry (refugees, etc.) they have a responsibility to vet those people prior to allowing them in. Until they can be positively vetted (positive character reference, guardianship, etc.), they stay where they are.
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  • Posted by $ Tap2Golf 8 years, 10 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Thank you for mentioning training and practice. Anyone who owns a gun should learn how to use it properly and should practice, practice, practice. Target practice at the range is a lot of fun if no one is shooting back at you.
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  • Posted by CircuitGuy 8 years, 10 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Most murders involve one or two victims. Even the question is wrong. of our goal is to save lives. I agree with #1, not because I think it's a cure for murder, but for many other reasons. Those reasons are in some ways related to why I disagree with #2, #3, and #4.
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  • Posted by CircuitGuy 8 years, 10 months ago in reply to this comment.
    "the perp would never know if someone had a gun ready for defense is a good deterrent."
    Yes. I know of people who for whatever reasons go to a bar to party and take no alcohol or drugs. There might be one there. Someone could be picking up their friend. Law-abiding gun owners are everywhere.

    Your last paragraph seems completely unrelated except that we can never vet people and predict if they're going to commit crimes, so it's an impossible request when people say we shouldn't let people into the country or have guns until we know they're not going to commit a violent crime.
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  • Posted by $ Tap2Golf 8 years, 10 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I don't know of any states that allow carry, concealed or open, while under the influence of drugs or alcohol. Of course, criminals and terrorists don't care about the law.
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  • Posted by $ 8 years, 10 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Yeah, that post here in the Gulch about "72 raisins" being said to be the correct translations was just a few days ago.
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  • Posted by $ 8 years, 10 months ago in reply to this comment.
    My breathing is what I always have to especially concentrate on with any weapon. Breathing will make you shoot low in particular.
    I've only taken aim from a prison tower at any real person. That was an inmate who decided that he did not want to try and escape after all. That was with an AR-15 by the way.
    Can't remember if I held my breath or not at any point, but I was yelling at that pinhead off and on.
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  • Posted by $ Tap2Golf 8 years, 10 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I would have to agree, allo, I think the guard was probably as terrified as everyone else there. That said, the guard did survive.
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