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Orlando Victims Did Not Die Because They Were Gay--They Were Unarmed!

Posted by $ allosaur 8 years, 10 months ago to News
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Tomorrow I plan to visit a gun store(s) to add one or two firearms to my collection.
This retired state worker can afford to since I inherited some money.
Thinking of a 9mm carbine since some day it may be very hard to find or afford .223-cal AR15 ammo.
Thinking 9mm and .38-cal. ammo will hopefully always be out there somewhere.
I will build up my ammo hoard regardless.
Left over from my corrections career and semi-retired security guard days, I have three revolver speed loaders that will hold preferable .357 Magnum rounds as well as .38s.
The revolver I seek fires both like one I used to have before I traded it for a .45 I no longer have either.
PC old dino ain't.
I even keep both a shotgun and a Bible in reach my bed. Not to mention six inches of steel in an old-fashioned Italian switchblade.
Obama has to hate how I cling to certain things. What can I say?
I'm just an old dino. And allosaurs were North Americans.


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  • Posted by $ 8 years, 10 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I read that terrorist had been in that place several times.
    He have known what to expect and how to herd people like so many frightened sheep..
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  • Posted by freedomforall 8 years, 10 months ago in reply to this comment.
    The law prevents carrying a gun for self defense in a place that serves alcohol regardless of whether you are drinking alcohol.
    Thirty four states do not have such self-destructive unconstitutional restrictions and they don't have such massacres either. Twenty six states made it easier to carry in such places since 2013, but Florida still exposes its people to unacceptable risks in violation of the Second Amendment.
    Of course, the idiotic statist propaganda campaign against firearms probably reduces the number who would even consider carrying a firearm by a large percentage, too.
    Ever fire a weapon, CG? (No need to answer if you think it is an invasion of your privacy. I respect privacy of all gun owners, especially in light of government's intent to disarm everyone.)
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  • Posted by $ 8 years, 10 months ago in reply to this comment.
    My same round thinking for a sidearm and a carbine is inspired by reading about cowboys of the wild west.
    Many carried the same ammo for their Colt forty-fives and their Winchesters.
    You did not have to go figure what bullet to reload with in a hurry when surrounded by rustlers or Indians.on the warpath.
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  • Posted by Lucky 8 years, 10 months ago
    Is it true that-
    the weapon used was acquired illegally. It is a kind not available for sale to any private individual? (In Florida)
    If so, whatever the pros and cons of banning weapons, that particular one was already banned.
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  • Posted by CircuitGuy 8 years, 10 months ago in reply to this comment.
    "the fact that no one else had a gun was prime factor in the horrible toll"
    Yes. Under FL law as 15 years ago when I lived there you were not supposed concealed carry while drunk, which seems like a reasonable rule. I think there will always cases and situations where criminals get away with ghastly crimes. I can't envision a utopian world where we've finally done away with mass murder.
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  • Posted by freedomforall 8 years, 10 months ago
    I used a Marlin camp 9 semiauto carbine some years ago and it was accurate (given limitations of 9mm) and easy to operate. It is very similar in operation to the Ruger 22LR. So if you want to cut down confusion when switching between rifles, that is an advantage. Not a bad idea to have a carbine that uses the same ammo as your sidearm. You might want to look at the Marlin 1894C (or similar) if you are using a .357 revolver.
    Marlin Camp 9 worked fine using fmj and hp ammo.
    If you are prepping, you should also look at a Dillon Precision RL550B progressive reloading press.

    You are absolutely right about why the people in the bar died. One patron with a 9mm semiauto would have cut the death and injury toll by more than 90%. Had it been legal to carry, the perp might have chosen a different place for his attack although media quotes seem to indicate he had a problem with homosexuals.
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  • Posted by richrobinson 8 years, 10 months ago
    Good luck Dino. I really wish people would stop going to places that are "Gun Free Zones". They are just kill zones.
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  • Posted by $ MikeMarotta 8 years, 10 months ago
    I have to agree that in this case, the fact that no one else had a gun was prime factor in the horrible toll.

    That said, though, in fact, the nightclub did have an armed security guard, a policeman working in the private sector. He failed to achieve target acquisition during the three hours of the incident.

    Also, if 20 other people had had guns, then 50 deaths could have been the outcome. Bullets would be flying all over the place. Before you reply with calls for training, consider the Empire State Building shooting of a few years ago. The only innocent victims were the people shot by police - and the police are trained.

    No one used any other weapon, no vodka bottles, no chairs. No one attacked back. This was a soft target, not much different than a school, really.
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  • Posted by $ 8 years, 10 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I've seen those snake shot ads. One is an illustration of a woman with a car door open and about to shoot an attacker in the face with a small hand gun.
    Or maybe she is shooting.
    Can't recall. Good night.
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  • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 8 years, 10 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I had a Topper like that. six or seven barrels. The old style one would do .410 12 gauge, .22, .30-30. I see the new one's only do shotgun or rifle calibers. Question is snake shot in a pistol classified the same as a sawed off shotgun?
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  • Posted by $ 8 years, 10 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Back in the mid-70s when there was an actual threat against my life (due to a police beat story I wrote), the maddening waiting period to buy a gun in Alabama was one week.
    I resorted to carrying a hunting knife strapped upside-down inside a pants leg!
    Unforgettable were the two dudes who came to do me harm inside a laundromat with no back door until one shook his head to cause the other to also chicken out.
    My plan was to use some Marine Corp bayonet training on the first to open the door. I could have wound up in prison.
    My first gun was a H&K .380 and it felt a lot better carrying than a knife.
    Now when you buy a pistol in Alabama, you only have to wait for the salesman to check you out with a phone call and you have a new gun in 15 minutes or so.
    You spend way more time selecting which one you want to buy.
    Tomorrow I'm pretty sure I'll be at an indoor range I like shooting a new revolver or a carbine or both.
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  • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 8 years, 10 months ago
    Allosaur say it isn't so...no safe spot?

    Depending on the revolver think about 38+P. ad well I always bought the .357 version so I could load all three power levels and the Glasers. The last a long barrel Taurus S&W design in Stainless Steel. It's almost worth finding or fabricating a detachable stock.
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  • Posted by mminnick 8 years, 10 months ago
    Living in New Jersey it isn't easy to go to a gun dealer and pick up a hand gun. Takes a special permit that takes 30 days to get (actually when I got my first one it too almost 6 months). Long guns are different. I carry my permit to buy with me at all times in case I see some I want/need.
    I also have a fair collection of non-projectile weapons (learned these at an early age). In Jersey it is most likely better to use one of those that a pistol or rifle. There would be no question that it was self defense and that the attacker was close and you knew his intent. Actually, here in jersey am not sure even that is true. Probably need a wound or two to really make the case.
    Anyway, If I'm not mistaken, in Florida, you cannot carry into any establishment that sells or dispenses alcohol, it is a felony (I think tha's right, but haven't been to FLA in several years).
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