Do atheists outnumber radical Muslims in the U.S.A.?

Posted by johnpe1 8 years, 10 months ago to Government
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if our atheists received the same honor as radical Muslims,
would terms like faith, supernatural, omniscient
and omnipresent be outlawed? -- j
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  • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 8 years, 10 months ago in reply to this comment.
    So let's get to the root of the matter and I'm going to start a new sub thread up above for this....How do we fix the problem..
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  • Posted by $ number6 8 years, 10 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I dont support Islam, I hust attempt to refute lies from ignorant "experts" so the disocurse can be less abut hatred of all of Islam and more about solving the radical Islamist problem......
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  • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 8 years, 10 months ago in reply to this comment.
    those you speak of, especially those who chose to come to other countries are eiher on the side of their new country or not. Easy choice. They can drop a dime or do the time. just like anybody else. I look and see gangbangers in drag.
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  • Posted by Dobrien 8 years, 10 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Idiotic? Off the top of your head ?They were both born in the USA.1st named Cassius Clay the 2nd Lew Alcindor. And Please the Spanish people don't want to assimilate give me a break, I'll take a hard working Mexican illegal over an Obama authorized Somali, Syrian, Middle East Moslem. I have seen crowds of 100,000 + Muslims burning our flag chanting "death to America" countless times in the last 36 years. I have never seen any anti-American protests of that nature from Mexico.
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  • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 8 years, 10 months ago in reply to this comment.
    That's not a case of not wanting to and most do realize the need to speak the language to get ahead in the case of the Latinos. Often it's a case of being told by the do gooders(sociology types) and those who want to keep control both our government and Latino Organizations. It was no different when places like Little Italy and Chinatowns, Little Ireland etc. were formed as each wave came in. over the last 150 some years. Those that assimilated zoomed to the top and of course made previous immigrant waves somewhat jealous. As late as the 1950's immigrant to Oregon from Arkansas and Oklahoma were known as CIO's and CIA's each letter pronounced for California Improved Oakies and Arkies. Dust Bowl refugees for the most part. Way behind recent immigrants from other countries. The story was if they left Okie/Arkie land an 8th grade graduate they would go to nineth grade in Californa and the next year moving to Oregon fit in with the 7th grade. Most families over some generations pulled them selves up the ladder BUT in Oregon the big trap was the welfare system. I recall kids coming t school and taking off with the parents on prolonged hunting trips. Welfare had bought them new pickup trucks. No point in working.
    The next wave soon after I left high school were the hippie generations and tree huggers meaning pot growers. And so it goes. Some take centuries to assimilate and it is damn difficult when there is no encouragement and a lot of negative influences with the government leading the way in that respect.

    But none except Californians came with the attitude of recreating what they had left until th Islamics. Like the Pinoys though most were working to return 'home' when they retired. They weren't out to kill the local population. If you noticed real close look at the one from the LA Airport today that well may have been one of the 40% or so who converted but have been in North America for a hundred to two hundred years.
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    Posted by $ number6 8 years, 10 months ago in reply to this comment.
    and THAT is an idiotic sweeping generalization .. how about Muhammed Ali, Kareem abdul Jabbar off the top of my head .. did they assimilate.into the USA culture?

    The non assimilating immigration issue includes the Spanish speaking people who dont want to assimilate and any other group that does not want to assimiliate (including Islamic believer who do not want to)
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  • Posted by Dobrien 8 years, 10 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Blah blah blah "the preferential treatment seems"
    How wishy washy.
    The preferential treatment is to bring in people who have no interest in assimilating into our culture!
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  • Posted by $ number6 8 years, 10 months ago in reply to this comment.
    no .... just well read and not prone to ignorant ideas with zero substance.

    Its not in my memory, its in my debate folder (lol) ... I was raised Catholic and really dont support any religion.
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  • Posted by $ number6 8 years, 10 months ago in reply to this comment.
    The reason seems to be that by generalizing statements and saying ALL of Islam supports terror and all of Islam is violent and ALL of Islam is (insert whatever negative you want here) you make the argument defensive form the start. If you say the Islamic terrorists are ____ there would be no argument of defensive posture.
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  • Posted by $ Olduglycarl 8 years, 10 months ago
    Don't think so...those terms can be used with things not mystical...ex., faith means: confident, supernatural means: we don't know what the hell it is!...laughing
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  • Posted by lrshultis 8 years, 10 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Are you nuts? Why would I need such crap in my memory? Pick on some believer, there may be a few on this forum.
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  • Posted by johnpe1 8 years, 10 months ago in reply to this comment.
    and yet nearly any negative statement about islam
    is taken as "an attack on all of Islam." . why so? -- j
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  • Posted by johnpe1 8 years, 10 months ago in reply to this comment.
    it seems that they are considering that infidels
    started the combat, or terrorism, and it is their duty
    to finish it. -- j
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  • Posted by $ number6 8 years, 10 months ago in reply to this comment.
    It is certainly an exaggeration and compounds the problem by giving more power to the radical terrorsts who attempt to highjack the Islamic religion
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    Posted by $ number6 8 years, 10 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I agree and the problem is when people lend credence to the radical elements bastardization of the Koran by attacking all of Islam.
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  • Posted by johnpe1 8 years, 10 months ago in reply to this comment.
    he said "most muslims" and that's probably an
    exaggeration, but a common feeling these days. -- j
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  • Posted by johnpe1 8 years, 10 months ago in reply to this comment.
    number6 posted a link, above, where the Quran is
    quoted with similar non-aggression words. . isn't it
    odd that the practices of many of them differ with that? -- j
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    Posted by $ number6 8 years, 10 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Islam does NOT believe in c=forced conversion :

    "In Surah Al-Bakarah (Chapter 1) Quran says

    Let there be no compulsion in religion. Truth has been made clear from error. Whoever rejects false worship and believes in Allah has grasped the most trustworthy handhold that never breaks. And Allah hears and knows all things.


    In Surah Kafiron (Chapter 109), Quran says

    1 - Proclaim, (O dear Prophet Mohammed - peace and blessings be upon him), “O disbelievers!”. 2 - Neither do I worship what you worship. 3 - Nor do you worship Whom I worship. 4 - And neither will I ever worship what you worship. 5 - Nor will you worship Whom I worship. 6 - For you is your religion, and for me is mine."
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    Posted by $ number6 8 years, 10 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Your statement : " Muslims, unfortunately, aren't willing to live and let live" is factually incorrect.

    An opinion piece is not a fact.
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  • Posted by $ number6 8 years, 10 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Qur’an 2:257: “There shall be no compulsion in religion.”

    “But if the enemy inclines towards peace, you (also) incline towards peace, and trust in Allah” [Quran 9:61].

    “Let there be no hostility except to those who practice oppression.” [Quran 2:193]

    “…if any one slew a person unless it be for murder or for spreading mischief in the land, it would be as if he slew the whole people; and if any one saved a life, it would be as if he saved the life of the whole people.” [Quran 5:35]

    “From whose tongue and hands the people (an-nas: irrespective of Muslims or non-Muslims) are safe.” [Musnad-i-Ahmad, #6762; narrated by Abdullah ibn Amr]

    The killing of innocent non-combatants is forbidden. According to Sunni tradition, ‘Abu Bakr al-Siddiq, the first Caliph, gave these instructions to his armies: “I instruct you in ten matters: Do not kill women, children, the old, or the infirm; do not cut down fruit-bearing trees; do not destroy any town . . . ” (Malik’s Muwatta’, “Kitab al-Jihad.”)
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