To be boring to everyone else to be successful in business in NEW YAWK CITEEEE one must be a Democrat or at least act like one and must pay the required baksheesh, mordida bribes or donations. If you think he's a politician you are standing very very alone with no support on that statement He's flawed he's learning but he ain't there yet.

Progressive? With his record. Strike three? That was invented by the lame stream media.

My choice? My first choice was and still a top choice is voting for None of the above but my First choice (and I can see it's not your choice) is between a Constitutional Republic and a Socialist Autocracy.

Let's see if your NYC fixation works two ways. Please is a New York Term does it mean what it implies when you use it? Does it make you something you are not. It stems from a certain NY Culture and is too often knee jerked to includ te speaker in that culture. Come on you can tell us to quote Chung. Do you like being tarred that way. And that's all it takes just a suggestion and a lot of repetition - nothing but personal opinion or the curent party line. So please tell us are you one of them or are you not one of them.

A little honesty please. WAS a Democrat. and apparentl WAS a Republican. IS NOT An insider and is not a politician. Best of All is NOT a Sick Hillary and nor a Socialist Fascist. Try again and at least try to keep your bias in the open. No you are kidding me. But it 's didn't work.

Nah we have ghosts and phantoms when they get caught with some real unsupportable whoppers it's down vote and personal attack complaint time. Almost like joke but here if you haven't picked up your fair share of zeros minuses and so forth these clowns equate with debating you haven't been doing your job. I think Halling is the record holder!

I added your points back.

Why would anyone object to an open discussion of that? Perplexed. The left must be running scared to thin of real civics being discussed. ha ha I'll that 0 to my collection of job well done medals.

What happened to those mostly elderly destitute people? They went to county or state poor houses. for shelter and sustenance.

But after that the system like topsy with a pinnochio nose grew and grew and grew

Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 12 hours, 53 minutes ago
May come as a shock but all conservatives are NOT religious and all liberals are NOT socialists. One reason those two terms are seriously flawed is their applied willy nilly without thought nor reason til there as useful as 'you know.

But tht's the first time except for myself I've heard of the left right and vertical axis being used which is a useful tool.

To wit: Arrange the political spectrume from anarchist at the extreme right to Nazi/Communists at the extreme left and since it's a Constitutional Republic the Constitution in the center. The vertical starts at the top using the old divine right and descending King, Nobles, County trades people, peasants etc as one example or modern terms Natural rights Citizens, family local community government other. If its sliding sticks o in both directions put the vertical where you think it would go politically on the horizontal bar. then slide the vertical pole up or down putting your choice in both directions over one spot.

Being objectivists we make our own and keep it centered on reality. Mine hsas Government/ruling class just to the right of Secular Progressives. When constructing the horizontal Republicans for me are never to the right of center and always to the left of Constitution although...

If they kept one toe in that area it would be all right.

Ideally each system or group can wander at will as long as they keep one foot in the Constitutional Center and NOT as the media does in the Center of the left. What does it look like ...google up political spectrum as another poster suggested and look for one of the examples marked True there are two or three similar. They will have Anarchists at the far right Both Communists and Nazis to the far left. The others are the left's version and not useful.