Hi. My name is... Robert Smith

Posted by Boborobdos 11 years, 8 months ago to The Gulch: Introductions
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I'm very happy to have landed in the Gulch... I hope to get some insights for when I watch and discuss the movie.


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  • Posted by $ blarman 11 years, 8 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Actually, maximizing profits is the entire purpose of business. Charity is not the point of business - one of Ayn Rand's points. The things is that you seem to think that is wrong because profits are derived solely through unscrupulous means - where one of the trading partners gets taken advantage of. On the contrary, that is how government works. In the free market, you only stay in business if you have a quality product that the consumer values. Like them or not, Apple is a great example of this. They haven't colluded with anyone to put out arguably the best personal computing device in decades - they simply did it and reaped the rewards as millions of consumers valued their products enough to purchase them over and over. Did Apple profit? Handsomely. Did the consumers get taken for a ride? No. Contrast that with government spending to see my point.

    You also arrive at the mistaken conclusion that workers themselves have no power. Workers have as much power as their skills and training (and the market) allows and that power directly translates to earning potential and demand. There is a huge difference in earning power between a burger flipper and a doctor. The burger flipper has skills that will earn him/her about $8.50 in the market, while a doctor's skills will earn them 10x that much. Unions actually inhibit the free movement of labor and capital by artificially controlling the cost and mobility of labor - especially low-skilled labor.

    Where the system doesn't work and people are being exploited, it isn't in a free market. Government rules and regulations and unions are the two biggest inhibitors of the free market and incur costs to everyone with their interference. Look at any example and you can ferret out the hand of government - either in reinforcing a monopoly or throwing up artificial barriers to the free flow of capital, goods, or services.
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  • Posted by DJL 11 years, 8 months ago in reply to this comment.
    You always have choices. If your answer is "but that's too hard", or "something else is more important to me", or "but I need my job because I want x" then you're relegating your encumbrances to others so that you get what you want. I see this theme in most of your answers and it's the consistent 'tell' that your disposition is one of social support.
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  • Posted by Rocky_Road 11 years, 8 months ago in reply to this comment.
    And if you got off of your premise that workers are incapable of thinking for themselves, and are shuffling through their work shifts in ball and chains, you might see that there isn't any problem.

    You give no credit for any degree of self determination to low skilled workers...they have to be 'protected', and coddled by some union boss (who probably plays golf at the same country club that the CEO plays at).

    Your posted impression of the helplessness (and mindlessness) of workers is so antithetical to what Ayn Rand believes, that you can only be here to phish for argument.

    You've met your goal...what next?
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  • Posted by Rocky_Road 11 years, 8 months ago in reply to this comment.
    OSHA practically camped out at my company, and made my life miserable...all in the name of my workers protection. No union could have ever done a more through job of intimidation.

    No business is exempt from OSHA guidelines.

    You are living in the Grapes of Wrath era, and need to check a calendar.
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  • Posted by brian 11 years, 8 months ago in reply to this comment.
    That's not what I was saying. It's a free market. From both sides, the employee and the employer. Employers should be able to pay what they can/will and employees should be free to work where they want and require what wages they want. Nobody bullied me into working at McDonald's. I was there for two weeks when I decided I'd rather work at Pizza Hut making $1 more per hour, and I was getting paid to drive around town in my own vehicle. No body is forcing anyone to work anywhere. It's your choice and always should be. If enough people chose to work elsewhere and there was a drought of employees, McDonald's would start paying more to attract employees. That's how the free market should work, and will if you leave it alone.
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  • Posted by 11 years, 8 months ago in reply to this comment.
    And union folks think like they do, government employees think like they do, the ripe Rev. Phelps thinks like he does...

    I could be wrong, but it appears that you are quite narrow minded about accepting how others think. Is it truly your way or the highway?

    Rob
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  • Posted by lmarrott 11 years, 8 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Rob,
    Ideally a doctor who is rational is in it for the money and knows that doing the best job they can will make them more successful. So I would go for a doctor like that. Part of their success would depend on how well the patients felt about visits and told people they knew. Because ultimately we are free to go to a different doctor if we are unsatisfied. If the doctor loses one regular patient maybe they'll think nothing of it, but if they start losing a bunch they will have to figure out why and make corrections or risk going out of business.
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  • Posted by 11 years, 8 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Really?

    I live in the real world. Not everyone has choices and the brain power to "make it happen."

    I saw a comedian a few years ago with Parkinson's disease. She was shaking on the stage and said something along the lines of, "Sure I got choices... I wanna be a brain surgeon."

    Why don't you want to accept the notion that this world isn't perfect and understand that there are different people in it?

    Rob
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  • Posted by 11 years, 8 months ago in reply to this comment.
    It's part of my compensation package from the company I work for. Not everyone has "choices" as you cavalierly want to believe.

    All the assorted philosophies, ideas, and even the self help coaching don't take into account the individual circumstances of everyone so they can jump to your tune.

    Rob
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  • Posted by DJL 11 years, 8 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Then choose a different insurance company. If you can't find one you like, start one on the assumption that there are other people who share your interest.
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  • Posted by lmarrott 11 years, 8 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Rob,
    I agree with the statement from the Declaration of Independence. However this does not mean that people can do nothing and get everything they want or need. It means we are all free to do with our life what we will and it is up to us to do it. Nobody, including the government has the right to take my life, my freedom, or prevent my pursuit of happiness.
    However things like Universal Health care do take away my freedoms at the very least. I do not want to fund the health care of "society". If I decide someone I know could use some help, and I have the means, I have the freedom of choice to help them. It's amazing how generous many people really are by choice, without the government forcing this upon them.
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  • Posted by Rocky_Road 11 years, 8 months ago in reply to this comment.
    "Let the looting begin"?

    As in 'present' tense?

    Your breaking story is over a year old, and proved to be union propaganda intended for people like yourself:

    "Gregory F. Rayburn, a restructuring expert who took the helm at Hostess last month, said in an interview that the top four executives working under him had agreed to cut their annual salaries to one dollar until the company emerges from bankruptcy or Dec. 31, whichever comes first."

    Fifteen months ago: http://blogs.wsj.com/deals/2012/04/09/ho...
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  • Posted by 11 years, 8 months ago in reply to this comment.
    "it is the abuses of government, which have the force of law behind it."

    And religion that has eternal damnation if you believe that.

    Rob
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  • Posted by 11 years, 8 months ago in reply to this comment.
    But in Ayn Rand's distilled work it gives so many extremists handles to hang their greed on. I submit that Ayn Rand is as easily corrupted as the bible has been. Those with greed will use anything for their ends.

    It's like which bible do you want to believe? The one Fred Phelps believes in, or the one Bishop Spong believes in.
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  • Posted by 11 years, 8 months ago in reply to this comment.
    brian says: "Trying to force the market into some false premise that they need to pay more because you feel sorry for someone is fallacy."

    When people are bullied into low paying jobs, either by their own numbers or corporate greed, yes, I do think it's wrong.

    Seems to me that you are saying corporations are entitled to maximize profits, but workers have to go along with what the employer wants.

    Rob
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  • Posted by 11 years, 8 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Nope. I have health insurance. It's not a matter of "entitlement." The "less expensive" doctors are the ones chosen by the corporate insurance companies. That's not "choice."

    Rob

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  • Posted by 11 years, 8 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Excellent post. The part that seems to be bothersome is the notion that folks who can be pushed around should be without any recourse. Unions aren't just about $$$... It also has to do with safety, working conditions, etc.

    Rob
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  • Posted by Non_mooching_artist 11 years, 8 months ago in reply to this comment.
    No, an individual's choice and brain make it happen. And to think that a union had anything to do with an individuals success is pure ignorance.
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  • Posted by khalling 11 years, 8 months ago in reply to this comment.
    a free market does not require perfection or to virtuousaccording to your standards. Abundantly clear, throughout History, it is not the abuses of an individual merchant one needs fear, it is the abuses of government, which have the force of law behind it.
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  • Posted by brian 11 years, 8 months ago
    Rob, here in west Texas, McDonald's pays a starting wage of $14 per hour. Walmart is paying around $17 per hour. Why? Because our economy here is booming and employees are hard to come by. Oil field workers are making in the $70K+ range and if you're an experienced driller or consultant then you are making way more than $150k per year. People are moving here by the tens of thousands a year, massive new homes are going up all over the place and daily you see people driving Benz', BMW, and huge, expensive, trucks and SUVs. It is the just reward of a strong, free, economy.

    Trying to force the market into some false premise that they need to pay more because you feel sorry for someone is fallacy. The market will decide. If someone doesn't want to make $10 per hour flipping burgers then they will get some skills and knowledge and find other work that is more lucrative. If you want jobs like McDonald's to be the long-term types of jobs that people retire from someday then you are causing way more damage to those people than anything else would. Jobs like that should be a stepping stone to bigger better things. I know because I worked at McDonald's, Pizza Hut, a gopher for a welder, mowed lawns, a roofer, waited tables and did tech support for granny's in the 90s when they were getting, "on the super highway" of the Internet. I wouldn't trade any one of those jobs or that experience. It taught me so much that is invaluable to me now.

    Unions are now a cancer, mostly because they are completely abused by the union management, example: Detroit. I have never once in my life worked for a union. My brother has and it nearly kills him every time the union decides to go on strike so he might see an additional $137 per year raise. It's absolutely not necessary in this day and age of travel capability making today's workforce massively mobile. I'd much rather be able to walk into my boss' office and explain that I have another offer somewhere else for $10,000 a year more and let him match or better it. It's the way the market should work. And better yet, start your own business, put in the blood, sweat and tears and build something of your own, along with your own wealth.
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