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FEE: Ayn Rand Predicts its Intellectual Bankruptcy

Posted by dbhalling 8 years, 3 months ago to Economics
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FEE or the Foundation for Economic Education has proven to be intellectually bankrupt. For instance, their position against patents and Intellectual property shows that they do not understand property rights or rights generally. They also revere the work of the philosopher David Hume, who argued “cause and effect” does not exist, induction is just correlation, and that a rational ethics is not possible (the so-called is-ought problem). This means that Hume undermined reason, science and ethics. Despite this FEE thinks Hume is a great guy. FEE also promotes Matt Ridley who denigrates human achievement in science and engineering, calling Nobel Laurites in science and inventors frauds, for more click here.


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  • Posted by $ Seer 8 years, 3 months ago in reply to this comment.
    The branching of comments on this thread, has me wondering what it is, exactly, you "saw". Not trying to be critical.
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  • Posted by $ Seer 8 years, 3 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Maybe "an" indispensable key, not "the" indispensable one.
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  • Posted by $ jdg 8 years, 3 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I saw that, too, and to me it's a major if not show-stopping problem, kind of like trying to come up with the Unified Field Theory without first understanding quantum mechanics. Economics is the indispensable key to understanding human behavior.
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  • Posted by $ Seer 8 years, 3 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Do you think I am against capitalism? I have said, elsewhere, that capitalism prepares for the future, whereas socialism depletes resources, and why I have called socialism a primitive coping mechanism.
    I have no idea how you can possibly assume I am confusing capitalism with anarchism, simply because I stated that market forces do not always work as inherent regulators.
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  • Posted by $ Seer 8 years, 3 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Liberalism has mushed distinctions between so many "concept formations" that proper steps to insure property rights can not be installed.
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  • Posted by khalling 8 years, 3 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I wonder (but not putting words in your mouth) if you confuse capitalism with anarchism. Of course, any moral defense of capitalism starts with the protection of all property rights, which de facto means some form of government
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  • Posted by $ Seer 8 years, 3 months ago in reply to this comment.
    What I'm saying, in effect, is that more thought and research needs to take place in this regard.
    Once Liberalism becomes a dead idiotology, then we can start using "reason" in place of "feeling" to attempt adjustments.
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  • Posted by $ Seer 8 years, 3 months ago in reply to this comment.
    You know, db, this might be the very time to bring up the distinction between "law" and "regulations".
    I think that "laws" protect basic rights and provide remedies, whereas "regulations" help to make things run smoother.
    Maybe someone can start a thread on that topic.
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  • Posted by $ Seer 8 years, 3 months ago in reply to this comment.
    That's correct. I mischaracterized them. But it is in their effect that they are similar to regulations. I'm not that knowledgeable about the legal framework surrounding them, but it seems they are rights guaranteed by government, and thus subject to government oversight. I'm not really sure, but unless you can tell me, I know of no market "force" that can regulate those rights.
    I'm pretty sure that those concepts are in the forefront of legal thought at this very time. Mainly because of computer programming and its development of intellectual capital. Compare Linux (free and open source software---had to look up that "concept formation") to Microsoft. And every shade of "property right" in between.
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  • Posted by 8 years, 3 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Patents and Copyrights are property rights, they are not regulations.

    What do you mean by market forces don't always work? By what standard?
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  • Posted by wiggys 8 years, 3 months ago
    How I miss her writing. There will not be another like her.
    DB much thanks for presenting this, I am going to send it to friends.
    Is there any information as to what he might have answered her?
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  • Posted by $ Seer 8 years, 3 months ago in reply to this comment.
    That isn't what I said. I said market forces CAN regulate to a certain extent, in fact, a very great extent. Insurance itself is a regulator, and not dependent on government.
    I was a large commercial property and casualty insurance underwriter at one time; I started in a small mutual insurance company, then worked for AIG, in their commerce and industry wing. So I not only studied insurance, I also had hands-on experience.
    At any rate, the case is that market forces don't ALWAYS work.
    I understood business, in ways probably that Rand herself never could.
    Patent and copyright regulations wouldn't exist if there were market forces regulating them.
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  • Posted by ProfChuck 8 years, 3 months ago
    Ayn Rand's view of reality is closely related to what is known as "Classical Physics". The classical physics view includes Newtonian and Einsteinian mechanics and as such is deterministic and predictable. The predictability aspect is best illustrated by fact that the locations of the planets at any point in time in the past or future may be calculated to an arbitrary degree of precision. It is from this that the concept of a "Clockwork Universe" arose. Classical physics assumes that the universe is, at least in principal, completely knowable. There is no "hidden" or inaccessible knowledge". However, with the advent of quantum physics and the newer chaos physics we realize that while classical physics is not in the strictest sense wrong it is incomplete. The real world is much more complex and bizarre than the classical physics model would suggest. There are conditions where cause and effect become blurred and time runs backward and even sideways (what ever that means). Classical physics works most of the time but there are observable conditions where it does not. "There are things in Heaven and Earth that are not dreampt of..."
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  • Posted by term2 8 years, 3 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I can accept that you have a different view, but I still say you havent answered my argument. The word patent troll is commonly used to indicate persons or companies that simply file patents for the purpose of exercising government granted monopoly power over true inventors who intend to commercialize their inventions. The patent trolls do not actually make anything or commercialize their inventions, but seek to profit from the work of those who do courtesy of government monopoly powers.
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  • Posted by 8 years, 3 months ago in reply to this comment.
    The very fact that you use the word patent troll shows you are either ignorant or just pushing propaganda. Based on your history I would choose PROPAGANDIST
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  • Posted by $ Seer 8 years, 3 months ago in reply to this comment.
    It's implied in her belief that laissez-faire economics was best, and that market forces could regulate any contradictory or inconsistent behavior on the part of businessmen. Unless I have misinterpreted that.
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  • Posted by term2 8 years, 3 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I did challenge you to answer my argument. I take it that your answer is that I am ignorant. I dont think thats a very rational answer. Perhaps some changes in the patent system will answer my objection. In the meantime, I dont think it helps inventors as you claim it does.
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  • Posted by 8 years, 3 months ago in reply to this comment.
    You ignorance know no bounds and you refuse to be learn and you ignore all evidence. WOW you make a perfect Austrian.
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  • Posted by term2 8 years, 3 months ago
    I challenge the proponents of the current monopoly-granting patent system to justify how it is fair to prevent a completely independent inventor from making something that HE (she) thought of just because someone else might have thought of it first.

    I say that the patent system actually impedes innovation, in that an inventor now has to find out if the government will permit him to actually sell his invention before he even invests in completing it.

    Not to mention that the system has produced a host of patent trolls, who just use the system to inhibit competition.

    I understand that there is a large swamp which makes money on the patent system as it is, and which will defend it to the death. But I just dont buy the arguments that a 17 year government granted monopoly to the first person that applies to the government is fair at all.
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  • Posted by $ Seer 8 years, 3 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Her fallacy concerning laissez-faire economics is that she believed all businessmen make sound business decisions. Simply not true. And though market forces CAN regulate to a certain extent, it is not true in all cases.
    Did you see my topic "The Most Dangerous Game" ? That might explain what I mean.

    As you know, Greenspan also read Rand, yet was Fed chief for many years.

    I designate myself a "loose" Monetarist. But that is only a partial description.
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  • Posted by $ Seer 8 years, 3 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I guessed that about her, after studying economics and insurance, but just a few years ago, I found a book anthologizing some of the essays she wrote, or speeches she gave, through the years, on Objectivism. And there she confirmed my own insight into her lack of training in economics.
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  • Posted by $ Seer 8 years, 3 months ago in reply to this comment.
    No. I cannot say more now. But if dbhalling is into the protection of "ideas"; patents, copyrights, etc, he will understand.
    I can say this:
    I believe in the protection of property rights, and that extends to property "owned" by shareholders
    There is more than that, of course.
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  • Posted by Ben45 8 years, 3 months ago
    FEE is not a monolithic organization. They publish articles from many sources and authors. Best not to have a collectivist mindset. Disagree with individuals.
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