Can a state agency or Dept. operate ethically?
Posted by Dobrien 7 years, 7 months ago to Philosophy
Since built the Oroville Dam has never had a comprehensive review of its design or construction. An independent review determined
that the concrete was not up to standards and the design had serious flaws for the spillway and this would have not been detected by physical inspections as important as those are.
The owners of the dam are said to be ethically responsible.
The independent team wrote that regulators are important in managing dam safety, but they do not have all the resources nor the primary responsibility to do so.
"That responsibility, both ethically and legally, rests with dam owners," the report says.
The California Department of Water Resources owns the Oroville Dam.
Can a state agency operate ethically?
that the concrete was not up to standards and the design had serious flaws for the spillway and this would have not been detected by physical inspections as important as those are.
The owners of the dam are said to be ethically responsible.
The independent team wrote that regulators are important in managing dam safety, but they do not have all the resources nor the primary responsibility to do so.
"That responsibility, both ethically and legally, rests with dam owners," the report says.
The California Department of Water Resources owns the Oroville Dam.
Can a state agency operate ethically?
When you have things like the dam(n) disaster, the current lawsuit in CDCR where a transgender guard is harassed, threatened, and put in danger, and instead of following their own policy of ethical and fair employment they came out with an official statement denying what everyone knows what happened (with written and physical evidence) everyone is winking, nodding, and hoping instead of following the law and their own policy they're still playing the discrimination against women, minorities and sexual orientation or gender as if it were the 1950's, knowing their real culture of hush hush will protect the offenders.
An organizations REAL ethics aren't what's written on a piece of paper or parroted in official meetings but depends instead on the employees of that org. When your employees decide to act in a way opposite to whatever "official dictum" there is, and is allowed to continue, those acts become the actual ethics of the company or department, no matter what the cutesy posters say.
An agency CAN be ethical, but it takes guts of those in charge to make ethics stick and oust the unethical instead of perpetuating the culture of fear and silence to protect each other.
Career bureaucrats will always say they put the public safety first~but y'all listen up to me dino the retired corrections officer, who was employed by a state department for 21 years.
Some, not all, ambitious administrators think very much like career RINOs, who put feathering their own nest first, foremost and above all.
Should some heads roll to help with their lowdown climb up the ladder, so be it.
Me dino saw the good, the unscrupulous and the inept come and go.
The good 'uns still provide some fond memories, such as the warden who came down the cell block hall with a big stick in his hand when yours truly got himself into a spot of bother.
Another good 'un was a female captain, who had her own way of watching everybody's back. Heard she's the warden now.
That has to be good for my former coworkers still there. A dithering doofus was running things when I left.
In cases when too many people are involved with different motivations and that don't have proper knowledge of details , the ethical
aspect of a decision or directive is diluted.
Something to think about.
As for "Ethics" None would be higher than mine because it is all encompassing, (integrated) which is concept foreign to governments and union contractors.
Can't agree with you more on your ethics vs an organization or agency.
Regarding standards and regulations the failure is in part attributed the cement not being Thick enough in spots.
From the report :the team said "the spillway failure at Oroville was likely caused by long-standing problems with cracks in the concrete and a faulty drainage system underneath the concrete chute that was too thin in places."
Todays standards mentioned.
The panel called on regulators to supplement visual checks with painstaking reviews of original design and construction specifications, as well as maintenance records, with an eye toward finding “design shortcomings” that contrast with current state-of-the-art practices. The reviews should go beyond spillways and take in the entire dam structure, it said.
The chain of command and budgets provided for safety and maintenance let alone review of construction methods takes ethics out of the equation,
But then since the oroviile Dam incident state officials quietly inserted a provision into a budget ... under seal, through a provision that makes secret “critical energy infrastructure information.”.
What I can tell you from my experience is that for the most part, ethics has little to do with it. Inspectors and managers in this agency worked very hard at getting things "right", and "helping" clients understand requirements.
Most agencies set up to inspect or oversee design and/or construction of facilities are overwhelmed with the sheer volume of work. In my agency, we held up projects frequently - some for a year or more - to make sure the designers, owners, and builders got it right. The frustration felt by the Owners, especially those who had large investments at stake, was massive, and understandable. The state legislature ultimately passed a law telling the agency that we had 90 days from submission of a project to approve it, or disapprove it and give the reasons it was disapproved. Lack of action within 90 days resulted in de facto approval.
We could also hold up a project at any point during construction, or at the end of construction by refusing to sign off on a Certificate of Occupancy until certain issues were addressed to our satisfaction. This happened frequently as well, again to the great frustration of those involved.
What I experienced was that the Building Codes are extremely complex and themselves overwhelming. Couple that with the sometimes extensive and complicated regulations issued by States or the Federal Government, and you have a recipe for long delays, overly expensive solutions, and a huge room for error.
Failure to miss something in a structure or building project like a dam is not an indication of unethical practice. Under the conditions described above, with complex Codes and regulations, and arbitrarily imposed deadlines, it is easy to understand how something can be missed. Judging those who reviewed the plans, or inspected the dam some 50 years ago by today's standards is unreasonable and unfair. After all, many changes in Codes and requirements are made as the result of disasters like the dam spillway collapse. Hindsight is 20/20. Anything built so long ago can be characterized as a design that doesn't meet today's standards. But ethics, in my opinion, has nothing to do with it.
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picayune.
The Denver Post, not a bastion of conservative thinking, recently praised the new EPA Secretary Scott Pruitt for reopening the case of the spill of toxic mining waste into the Colorado river. That act of incompetence was performed by the Obama EPA, which claimed sovereign immunity and refused to entertain responsibility for one of the biggest environmental disasters in U.S. history. Pruitt has informed damage claimants in Colorado and New Mexico to refile their claims, and has said his EPA will be responsible to honor those claims. That is one case of ethical behavior.
My wife has worked as a quality engineer, sometimes in positions where Federal regulations determined the standards. It was very convenient for the QA inspector to be able to say, "Sorry, we cannot ship the product. It does not meet FDA specifications." Corporate standards and policies are often more flexible than the FDA specs. One corporate bigwig told a customer, "Yes, we know we had a problem with bad quality, but we've fixed that. We fired the quality inspector."
The ethical individual can go along with an organization's rot, or can stand up against it. He can be fired, or can quit.
Galt quit, and then went out to convince others of the validity of individual ethics, of the virtue of selfishness.
I know more about this than I'm mentioning here...
But any other agency of the government is at moral hazard. Separation of powers can check this to some degree. But that's why that government is best, which governs least.
If Trump can actually drain the swamp, and if that means clear up all the mosquito infested, rotting, decaying, stinking-filled hunks of garbage, then the slightest of possibilities exists for the NO to become a YES.
Garbage in garbage out.
https://damsafety.org/sites/default/f... -- the word "substandard" does not appear. If you read the report, you can draw that conclusion, if you know what the standards are. They do note that the aggregate was large, but you need to know how concrete is made to understand what that means.
Hindsight is always 20-20. When you have a failure, you can go back and find the nodes. It is not so easy in the design phase.
As for the deeper questions, I point to "Power and Market." If a decision is made politically, then it is metaphysically suboptimal, in the context of economics. Among the basic problems with that, the reductio ad absurdum, is that the Mafia is a police agency run for a profit, which is not what we are looking for in community policing. Also, the basic ethical questions would lead to the imprisonment or execution of jurors who wrongfully convict.
To answer your question simply: Yes.
One argument for cultural diversity which is supported by studies is that when your board is culturally diverse, they might not agree on the right thing to do, but they will agree on the action not to carry out because it is wrong from everyone's perspective.
As for the case of the dam, dams are complicated on many levels and there's lots of them. Some will fail under stress. Then, we can go back and blame people and condemn institutions, all of them individually and severally for being immoral. The thing is with the Strength of Materials equations, time is not a factor. Something either fails or it does not. S = sE, Stress = strain * modulus of Elasticity. That modulus is empirically derived for each and every material. It looks like science but it is an art.