I've never had time for practicing the arts, but I do have an appreciation of them. I married an artist, and have enjoyed how she expanded my awareness. She enjoys the fact that I can cry when I hear a sad or tragic story without trying to hide the fact, but gets irritated when I seem to pretend an injury is of no consequence. I have tried to explain to her I'm entirely logical, in that if things are still moving, I reason that I'm OK. It isn't that I'm trying to project some tough guy image, but she still has a hard time accepting it (particularly when I'm getting blood all over the place).

As an artist and an athlete I have found it amusing
How some men feel their masculinity does not allow for more delicate activities.
I have confidence in who I am and what I am all about. My wife has described me as a rugged
Romantic.

Thanks Jan for your well thought out commentary.
As with many discussions not all aspects of a discussion are valid. Interesting also is the dramatic drop in testosterone in men over the last few decades. No medical studies on that , but their are studies on grooming of pubic hair.
You just can't make this stuff up.

I'm kind of the patriarch in our family, but am not a tyrant or a pushover. When my niece asked me what kind of concept I went by, I replied that I followed the Celtic warrior model, where a real man had to be able to dance, sing, write poetry, and bring home the heads of his enemies on his chariot. Although somewhat liberal, she liked that image.

The problem is real, but the article that is linked is bad because it conflates issues that have nothing to do with its thesis. For example, the mention of the shooters being men: men have (in all societies at all known times) been more prone to violent crimes than women - by about a factor of 10.

Insofar as suicide is concerned, if it were due to cultural emasculation, then suicide would be expected to be highest in the coastal states and lower in more traditional states. The opposite is true: NY, Hawaii, CA are all low on the chart and Alaska, Wyoming, and New Mex are all high.

I have noticed and discussed the need for masculine liberation with male friends. I try to support them in their reveling in their size and strength and competitiveness. I think that this is a problem that actually transcends gender, however, and that the social attack is on strength and competence and independence per se; since the traditional embodiment of these characteristics is 'men', then they become the target.

While I enjoy seeing movies (at last) that have strong female heroes, and reading books with active female protagonists, it is obvious to me that one does not have to make others weak in order to be strong.

Jan

You are a truly remarkable women. It is apparent your reasoning and rationality are tremendous. :)
Enjoy this great day! This woman is on to it all https://youtu.be/DDyDtYy2I0M

Maybe so but Blondie loves Dagwood.https://www.google.com/search?q=blondie+loves...

Can't we all just get along. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1sONf...

Yes Profobvious. Plus1 .Too bad it's not obvious to the sheeple.

Standing ovation!!!!!!
The potential for good is in everyone. But potential requires an effort to attain success and results.

Good for you . I have observed the deliberate
ridiculing of men through out the entertainment industry, the media and advertising. Is this a result
of more women making corporate decisions as they advance up the ladder.
Notice all the interracial families and non traditional portrayed in ads. It seems to me to be disproportionally to reality , I guess I could be wrong. But it does smell of manipulation.

yeah, you are right. It IS white males, not black or other minority males

WOW. You can see the cognative dissonance as it is developed in these ITS(hate to misidentify them as people.).

Actually, term2, it's much more specific. It isn't just "stupid male", it's "stupid white male". I avoid buying products advertised that way as well.

The school system is bad, and has been since the 90s. As a mom, I saw them discouraging grade school boys from being into toy guns and trucks, trying to feminize them. but we taught, our daughtercars are cool, she had toy guns, she is not a terrorist. They did not have the agenda to raise up females, but to control all.Boys were sent to MDs for Ritalin, some of whom needed an allergist instead. Our pediatrician sent a lettr to the school, that it was the teachers who were inadequate, and most of their referrals were normal kids. It is not enough to teach kids any sex can enjoy typically boy or girl activities, they have to make girls obnoxious and boys wimps. Yes, I was seeing the anger with boys, and I was fighting constantly to make sure our daughter did not pick up the feminist crap while still knowing she could do whatever her talent and IQ set before he.I was earlier pushed toward "women's studies" in college, and dismayed a professor when I said I would go with the white European male model, as it included talented women.I told her I had no interest in reading about domestic female terrorists or radials who might have hit the front page. I never felt the need of what are now the "pink had broads" around me, I was taught to be an individual, who happens to have an IQ in the top 2%.

Apparently, the portrayal of the bumbling loser of sitcoms is becoming reality.We are becoming Dagwoods. .

Very reasoned arguments about what is happening to shape the perceived role of men in the society as opposed to what it should be in reality.
I am semi-retired and drive a school bus. For the most part women run the transportation department and their attitudes reflect the current accepted value of men. I struggled to comply with all of their bureaucratic rules and maintain order on the bus. It was chaos, the children were in control and they knew it. Finally in frustration I threw out all of their forms and rules. Parked the bus one day and told the kids we weren't going to follow the rules requiring tickets and permission from the bureaucracy to remove them from the bus. From now on if someone misbehaved and I told them they were off the bus that was it, they were off. In two days it went from chaos to children behaving, they knew that I meant it when I said they were going to be punished. Besides being in charge I used some of the children to help seat and monitor kids. I also spent time rewarding them when they were good and no participation trophies! Soon kids wanted to be a bus monitor and help. The problem kids simmered down and quit being disrespectful. Don't wait for permission to do what is right, just do it. Transportation administration and school administration are upset about not being in charge, I don't care, told them this is how it will be, I do not seek their permission, if they want they can fire me but they cannot make me behave in a way that permits misbehavior on the bus.
I demand and expect the boys to be polite to the girls and let them board first. The children have quickly learned what I expect of them and realize also that I will protect them. On a recent field trip as the students were boarding I overheard one teenage boy tell the other students who had not ridden my bus before; "That's Mr. Chad. When he says sit down he means it!" The teachers that chaperoned the trip were amazed at how well behaved the students were. Being a good man does not require being mean but it does require patience, firmness and reward for behavior that merits the reward.

Now woo wisten to your darling dino, girls. Oops, I mean guys. Tee-hee! Woo don't have to be manly to be a man.
For wor needful PC instruction, here-wee is a comparative study twixt impeccable dudette kinda dudes and that now-~ugh!-~ way gone out-of-fashion macho cowboy mystique~
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JMK6l...

Thanks...I know who to go to for a boost!

My work is all about advancing the conversation...maybe someday I'll be able to articulate it in a way that brings no nonsensical push backs...it's important to me that everyone gets it and that takes getting it right not being right.

That's something I could not take credit for other than just asking the question.

And THAT'S Exactly what we're talkin bout!!!!

Men and women are different. If they wern't there wouldn't be any men and women.

Just like there are differences in most animals, I think there are differences in humans too. It would be best to judge each animal and person individually, but frankly there isnt time for that in todays world.

Generalizations are used to speed up the process, and although not 100% accurate, they do give a more efficient way to overcome the lying and deceit thats used today by so many people.

That said, women in general are in my experience more emotionally driven than men. Of course, thats not anywhere near 100% the case, as there are lots of ridiculously emotionally driven men too. But, its a start. I dont want to vote for women in politics, as with RARE exceptions they have liberal views and take liberal actions.

Me dino has not seen The Last Jedi either.
This is the first Star Wars flick I have not first seen in a theater and I have no intention to.
When I do see it first and I will out of sheer curiosity, it will be with a Netflix DVD rental.
So far I've DVD collected every Star Wars flick that's not animated (when the price came down), including Rogue One, A Star Wars Story, which reminded me of a made during World War Two USA propaganda flick.
Will me dino add The Last Jedi to my collection?
I may just to round it out. We'll see. I'll have plenty of time to decide after seeing it.

I have noticed a lot of advertising showing the stupid man being made a fool of by women. Its annoying, and I dont buy the products that advertise that way. Its just another way liberals are putting their political agendas as more important than the products they sell. I take them at their word, and figure if THEY think so little of their products, I will too.

You can just cringe thinking about all the future consequences upcoming up when tough questions like, “Are there differences between men and women?” are asked in today’s colleges.

https://youtu.be/-4S0gHlKiho