Maybe Authoritarianism Is What It's All About

Posted by CircuitGuy 7 years ago to Politics
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[Repost to correct error in title.] I see most mainstream politicians and are not that radically different. They accept a bipartisan consensus of the government managing things, taking responsibility for the economy, and gov't spending remaining a big fraction of GDP. So when I read about a bitter partisan divide, I'm baffled. I just don't get why anyone is so fired up. This article in the NYT says it's because of levels of authoritarianism. I'm not of this answer, but it's better than any others I've heard. If I'm right, politicians are convincing people to hat one another over minor personality differences. The article quotes a paper titled Idealogues Without Issues. I love that title. "The three authors use a long-established authoritarian scale — based on four survey questions about which childhood traits parents would like to see in their offspring — that asks voters to choose between independence or respect for their elders; curiosity or good manners; self-reliance or obedience; and being considerate or well-behaved. Those respondents who choose respect for elders, good manners, obedience and being well-behaved are rated more authoritarian. "The power behind the labels “liberal” and “conservative” to predict strong preferences for the ideological in-group is based largely in the social identification with those groups, not in the organization of attitudes associated with the labels. That is, even when we are discussing ideology — a presumably issue-based concept — we are not entirely discussing issues. "Identity-based ideology can drive affective ideological polarization even when individuals are naïve about policy. The passion and prejudice with which we approach politics is driven not only by what we think, but also powerfully by who we think we are." Affective means emotionally driven. I had to look it up.


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  • Posted by $ MikeMarotta 7 years ago in reply to this comment.
    FFA, it was peer-reviewed but you would condemn peers along with the study.

    " Authoritarianism, Social Dominance, and Generalized Prejudice: A proposal to continue studying Right-Wing Authoritarianism and Social Dominance Orientation in the 2016 ANES Times Series" http://www.electionstudies.org/online...

    "The child-rearing questions are deceptively simple — just those four pairs of words in the first paragraph of this story. Is it more important for a child to have independence, or respect for elders? Obedience or self reliance? Curiosity, or good manners? Being considerate, or well behaved? " -- https://www.pri.org/stories/2016-02-2...
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  • Posted by $ MikeMarotta 7 years ago
    Interesting article and interesting links in support. Thanks.

    "There are authoritarians across the political spectrum, and political scientist Marc Hetherington found that in the 2008 Democratic presidential primary, authoritarians favored Hillary Clinton over Barack Obama.

    "Hetherington, who with fellow political scientist Jonathan Weiler wrote the book Authoritarianism and Polarization in American Politics, has also found that over the past couple of decades, authoritarians have moved steadily from the Democratic to the Republican party, as Democrats stood up for gay rights, immigrant rights, civil rights and other forms of freedom and equality. -- https://www.pri.org/stories/2016-02-2...
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  • Posted by freedomforall 7 years ago in reply to this comment.
    You are so right, CG. Government exists to steal from the rest of us under cover of keeping us safe or care for "the children", etc.
    Keeping us in fear of each other for no rational reason is their best hope to maintain power.
    Government does nothing well and when it fails just steals more from us.
    Both parties are run by looters. At the bottom grassroots level both parties have good people who are somewhat brainwashed to be afraid of the imagined enemy that is never the government.
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  • Posted by 7 years ago in reply to this comment.
    My claim is most people are not rightwing nutjobs or lefts. They do not want foreign wars or domestic destruction.

    I further claim that neither party is actually significantly less likely to send our young people to war or to threaten anyone who's worked hard by borrowing and spending.

    We're supposedly very divided, but most politicians agree US gov't will stay large and intrusive. So then I come "what's this all about?"

    The article offers one possible solution. Maybe it's people's orientation on issues like those four questions. Politicians find ways to exploit those differences and turn people against their neighbors. Politicians tell people who have no problem with one another for valuing curiosity or good manners that they should hate each other.
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  • Posted by Solver 7 years ago in reply to this comment.
    The more productive you are, the more you save the future, the bigger the target you have on your back by would be rulers.
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  • Posted by $ Abaco 7 years ago
    Republicans want to be led also. Leftist want destruction to go along with it - domestic destruction of our kids, old people, anybody who's worked hard their whole life, families. They're both pretty similar. The Republicans don't mind sending young people off to far away places to get blown up and/or apply force. I don't relate to either one. Interesting article though. Interesting take.
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  • Posted by freedomforall 7 years ago
    As usual NYT is nothing but biased rubbish pretending to be honest analysis. Utterly typical NYT rubbish.
    I even tried to re-read the article thinking about the content as if it was published by an independent un-biased source. It was impossible. It is filled with biased statements without any objective support.
    As for the "long-established authoritarian scale"? Who "established" it and when did it become accepted by peer review? Frankly the questions are total horse poo and are ignoring reality. Judging everyone and labeling them with a biased connoted label on 4 puny unrealistic question? The only person who could take that seriously is one who wants to support an irrational premise without any objective evidence.

    CG, your comments on it are much more interesting and are intellectually honest, unlike the puerile article itself.
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