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Posted by Herb7734 6 years, 8 months ago to History
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By now, we are all familiar with the problems faced by America relative to illegal immigration. But, there was a time, early in the 20th century,
when immigration was welcome and sought after, with many square miles to fill. Just about all you needed to do in order to be an immigrant was was to be healthy enough to remain vertical. If you saw the beginning of "The Godfather Part 2" you got a pretty clear picture of Ellis Island. In Poland and Russia Jews were were confined to "shtetles" ( Little States) within or nearby a city. Unless they were either professional men, land owners,or shopkeepers who dealt in necessities (butchers, bakers, food suppliers , etc.) they were so poor that many of them literally starved to death.This is about my Grandfather on my mother's side.

My Grandpa, Manus (Mike) Sherman, his wife and daughter live just outside of Lublin the 4th largest city in Poland in what we call today the Ukraine. He was a non commissioned officer in the Polish army., from which he defected at the outset of World War 1.He changed his name in order to keep from getting caught.and his passport wouldn't sound any alarms because he stole the I.D. off of a dead soldier. It's about this part where I tell you a couple apochryphal stories that circulated among immigrants.There were dozens of themand here are just two: Jews hated the army. In those days, they had good reason to. They had no loyalty to the repressive country in which they lived and they were treated even worse in the army than they were as civilians.

At Ellis Island many of the men, especially those from Germanywho were fleeing the Kaiser's conscription were loathe to give their real names, and on one day they decided to all say "Ich fergessen" (I forgot.) The closest to that in the ears of a minimally educated official, was "Ed Ferguson." That day a hundred or so Ed Fergusons passed through Ell Island. Here's another one:: Before going on permanent AWOL many would steal the wallets of the dead soldiers, not for the money, but for the I.D.Hence our new family name on my mother's side became Shermann, the second n getting dropped when Grandpa got ajob.Another great incentive was that Ford was paying $5 a dayand once the rumor was confirmedyou couldn't hold back half of Europe from immigration. $5 was a month's income in Poland.

"Mike" had a few bucks saved up from many years of manual labor so he traveled to Detroit, where he got a job in construction, building the Rackham Memorial Building, a Marble palace in the cultural center which also contained the Institute of Arts and the Main Library, also marble clad masterpieces.During this time my mother developed rickets from malnutrition so, her mom sent her to live with her parents who owned a small farm. For the first time in her young life, she was able to eat decent food and lots of fresh vegetables and eventually she grew strong but never achieved what should have been her full height.Grandpa told me that he couldn't believe his good fortune. To be able to live a life that Americans took for granted. He got hired at Ford making more money than he ever imagined.Enough to pay rent, clothes, food, and even some to save.He loved Amerca and learned English as quickly as he could so he could become a citizen. By his accent some would call him Russian(same as A.R.'s). "I can tell by your accent tht you are Russian." His back would stiffen up and he'd look the person in the eye and say, "Not Russian, American!" While he was proud to be an American , he still retained some old country habits. He drank only Corby's whiskey when indulging because it was the cheapest rotgut. He also like Slivovitz, a very potent plum brandy. It was said that after uncorking the bottle, the fumes alone would make you drunk. He loved caviar. Not that expensive blsck stuff that you daintilly put on crackers, but the orange fish eggs that you could smell 2 blocks awa when he opened the jar.And that's the difference between 1920 and 2018. Every family had its own stories of coming to America. I have just skimmed the surface. I have had the good fortune of being 1st or 2nd generation depending on which side you look at. As I was growing up, I heard various aunts uncles and, of course, parentstell me how lucky I was to be born in America.They were right.
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  • Posted by ewv 6 years, 8 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Replacing American individualism with balkanization as such is changing the culture, regardless of the specific ethnic sects. Many immigrants simply staying among themselves do not intend that and can't be said to "come here to change the culture". Others, along with many domestic "liberals" who still out number them, do.

    Whether or not the preventing a farm from seeking its slaughtering operation is intrusion into a private farm depends on the physical affects, including odor. If it would physical harm the neighbors they have every right to oppose it. The ridiculous religious nonsense motivating it is irrelevant and not grounds to interfere.
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  • Posted by ewv 6 years, 8 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Ayn Rand was not a conservative at all. Rand Paul is a mixture of conservative and libertarian. Mark Levin is a conservative. So are most of the House "Freedom Caucus" and many other politicians, such as Roy Moore.
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  • Posted by ewv 6 years, 8 months ago in reply to this comment.
    "National interest" is a vague, collectivist term that is not a valid criterion: An immigration system to "serve the national interest" is an attempt to force immigrants to "serve the national interest" or else be prohibited in order to "serve the national interest". There are valid specific national interests, such as defense when properly defined; an unqualified generality "national interest" used to control people is not valid. Conservatives doing this as immigration policy typically use it to mean economic protectionism and/or cultural tribalism.
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  • Posted by Lucky 6 years, 8 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Yes I have seen pics from the UK with those slogans.
    They have no need to keep quite about it, they are in charge, the sheep are cowed, see the Rochdale/Rotherham etc scandal of sexual assault and slavery of women and sub teen girls, thousands! It took years to come out, girls complained, to parents, teachers, welfare agencies, police, etc. but no one would take action to stop it.
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  • Posted by $ Thoritsu 6 years, 8 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Peacefully this is fine, but with the full meaning of your balkanization term, I view the intent as a subset of “change the culture”.

    We have a farm in town trying to get approval for Halal (sp?) slaughtering. I’m inclined to support it, as it is similar to kosher butchering, and we have a very old private slaughterhouse in town already, which I love. Seems like everyone but the neighbors is ok with it, but it will fail. Not sure if I should view this as intrusion into their private farm, or a ridiculous religious nonsense to go the way of the dodo.
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  • Posted by DeangalvinFL 6 years, 8 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Fair enough. A term precisely clarified in a book can indeed be used for valid discussion and argument.
    But, is it not true that the Conservative that you mean, and I assume Ayn Rand as well, is not the same as the common broad-based usage of the typical politician or newscaster?
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  • Posted by term2 6 years, 8 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I think we mean the same thing. But one of my real skills is not formulating the laws properly in words !
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  • Posted by ewv 6 years, 8 months ago in reply to this comment.
    "Conservative" is a broad term, but does have meaning and is definite enough in essentials to know that it is not, and has not been, capable of defending a free society, as illustrated by Ayn Rand's 1960 "Conservatism: An Obituary", anthologized in Capitalism: The Unknown Ideal.
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  • Posted by ewv 6 years, 8 months ago in reply to this comment.
    It was intended as a model for human interaction but not as a model for a whole "society". That takes a system of rights implemented by limited government workable for many kinds of people -- though with a dominant culture of reason and individualism for which government structure alone is not a substitute.
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  • Posted by ewv 6 years, 8 months ago in reply to this comment.
    It may not prevail, it depends on what people choose in coming generations. But they can choose better if provided with better ideas rather than starting over from the Dark Ages.
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  • Posted by ewv 6 years, 8 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Conservative trolls emotionally lashing out by 'downvoting' what they don't like with no discussion are not a strawman.
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  • Posted by ewv 6 years, 8 months ago in reply to this comment.
    What "real skills" claimed that "we need" is not the proper standard. They should be willing and able to support themselves by whatever honest means they choose.
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  • Posted by ewv 6 years, 8 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Who are "they"? Some muslims do not come to change the culture. Many others don't either, but seek to maintain multiculturalist balkanization.
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  • Posted by ewv 6 years, 8 months ago in reply to this comment.
    What "merit"? Immigrants did not "have to at least claim some useful skill". "Useful" to whom and by what standard? The criterion was the ability to support oneself by any means desired or show support from someone already here, and a lack of infectious disease and criminality. That was before the arbitrary quotas.
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  • Posted by ewv 6 years, 8 months ago in reply to this comment.
    That sounds like the usual campaign rhetoric with empty phrases and false premises. "Protecting American workers" from immigrants is the protectionism that Ayn Rand denounced. No one comes here or should come here to "serve the national interest".
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  • Posted by ewv 6 years, 8 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Using words that annoy enemies is not managing an organization. He openly punishes publicly with both his rhetoric and policies.
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  • Posted by ewv 6 years, 8 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Where has Trump ever shown an understanding of the rights of the individual, let alone advocated for them? His repeated goal is deals for the collectivism of the national economy.

    An "all-in" mentality and goal orientation is not a weakness. The threat is is nationalistic collectivist economics and disregard for the rights of the individual.
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  • Posted by 6 years, 8 months ago in reply to this comment.
    What they say and what they mean are often very different.To lie, cheat, steal and murder iin the name of Islam is considered a good thing. They and everything about them is evil on the philosophical level. The attempt on what we would deem normalcy belies the basis of the religion as a philosophy.
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  • Posted by 6 years, 8 months ago in reply to this comment.
    We move through time much faster than most other species. A long tome to us is very short to dinosaurs. We've been here for a couple thousand years but Dino was here for two million.Our birthrates are slow, however, mostly individuals in a 9 month gestation. A very contrary race.
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  • Posted by $ Thoritsu 6 years, 8 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Never seen one of those. Seems insane to announce it, particularly if that is your motive.
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  • Posted by $ WilliamShipley 6 years, 8 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I agree, but rapid demographic shifts are very disruptive. Singapore is currently running about 1.0 births per woman (.83 CIA, 1.2 World Bank). Since slightly over 2 is considered replacement that cuts the population by half each generation.

    Of course that's not the whole population, that's just the population of that generation which has to support the aging larger group.

    There are lots of nations with very low rates. The U..S. is at 1.8 which is decreasing but our population is being stabilized by immigration. Eventually the nations with birth rates over 2 will drop as well.

    The world's population will peak at about 2050 with an estimated 10 billion (I think more like 9.5) and then begin to decline. Eventually we'll have to do something about it but not for a long time.
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