Trump and Ojectivism
Posted by Tavolino 5 years, 8 months ago to Government
Trump and Objectivism
I’m puzzled by the formal Objectivist movement (ARI, TOS) and their complete disdain for President Trump. From the beginning they have never missed a chance not only to distance themselves, but also follow with a pompous negative certainty, without having the necessary relevant facts. Ironic, considering our foundations are based on proper identification (metaphysics) and validation (epistemology) before passing judgment or taking action (ethics). While I agree principles should never be compromised, context and perspective need to be objectively evaluated and applied, rather than a blind intrinsic repetition. Regarding Trump, there some broad hierarchal recognitions that I believe are very consonant with our philosophy.
Our fundamental basis is metaphysics, which is the proper identification of the nature of something. More than any past politician, however brash, Trump calls it like he sees it within his known knowledge. Be it the emotional motivations of political correctness, the lies of the “fake news,” the imbedded corruption, the recognition of the good and bad on the world stage (Israel, China, North Korea, Iran), the parasitical nations that feed off our teat, etc., etc.. The transparency of his thoughts have been unmatched and not hidden behind political speak, spins, alternate agendas, backroom deals or deceit. It is what it is.
As Dr. Jerome Huyler noted, “Trump has the sense of life of an individualist. His common sense - born of decades of experience as a businessman and dealing with politicians - tells him that taxes and heavy-handed regulations destroy economies. It is true, as Rand said that common sense is the child's method of thinking. But it is born of empirical experience,” the basis of knowledge acquisition.
His “America First” mantra should be championed by us. Rand had always said America will never regain its greatness until it changes its altruist morality. America First is just that. It’s not some blind German nationalism, but an attitude that America’s interests need to be selfishly upheld. This is a necessary fundamental to our ethics. He has attempted to keep open discussions with all, based around trade and fair exchange. Rand had said, “The trader and the warrior have been fundamental antagonist throughout history.” His movement away from aggressive wars, political globalism and multi-lateral agreements keep our own self-interests as paramount. It’s the application of the trader principle.
Lastly, his counter-punch mindset and approach is completely in line with our moral rightness of retaliation. He may prod or poke, but does not pull the proverbial trigger until he’s attacked, either with words or actions.
There is a dire threat that’s facing our country today with the abuses and power of the ingrained bureaucracy utilized for political purposes. It's imperative that all Americans unite, led by the voices of reason to identify and expose this fundamental threat to freedom. It's not about the false alternative of Trump or never Trump, it's about the American system and the fundamental role, purpose and responsibilities of government, regardless ones political persuasion.
As Objectivists, we need to continually apply our principles in the real world of what is, slowly moving it to where it should be. We need to descend from the “ivory tower” to the first floor of reality. Trump may not be able to articulate the principles, but are not what’s mentioned above consistent with our most basic and fundamental beliefs as Objectivists?
I’m puzzled by the formal Objectivist movement (ARI, TOS) and their complete disdain for President Trump. From the beginning they have never missed a chance not only to distance themselves, but also follow with a pompous negative certainty, without having the necessary relevant facts. Ironic, considering our foundations are based on proper identification (metaphysics) and validation (epistemology) before passing judgment or taking action (ethics). While I agree principles should never be compromised, context and perspective need to be objectively evaluated and applied, rather than a blind intrinsic repetition. Regarding Trump, there some broad hierarchal recognitions that I believe are very consonant with our philosophy.
Our fundamental basis is metaphysics, which is the proper identification of the nature of something. More than any past politician, however brash, Trump calls it like he sees it within his known knowledge. Be it the emotional motivations of political correctness, the lies of the “fake news,” the imbedded corruption, the recognition of the good and bad on the world stage (Israel, China, North Korea, Iran), the parasitical nations that feed off our teat, etc., etc.. The transparency of his thoughts have been unmatched and not hidden behind political speak, spins, alternate agendas, backroom deals or deceit. It is what it is.
As Dr. Jerome Huyler noted, “Trump has the sense of life of an individualist. His common sense - born of decades of experience as a businessman and dealing with politicians - tells him that taxes and heavy-handed regulations destroy economies. It is true, as Rand said that common sense is the child's method of thinking. But it is born of empirical experience,” the basis of knowledge acquisition.
His “America First” mantra should be championed by us. Rand had always said America will never regain its greatness until it changes its altruist morality. America First is just that. It’s not some blind German nationalism, but an attitude that America’s interests need to be selfishly upheld. This is a necessary fundamental to our ethics. He has attempted to keep open discussions with all, based around trade and fair exchange. Rand had said, “The trader and the warrior have been fundamental antagonist throughout history.” His movement away from aggressive wars, political globalism and multi-lateral agreements keep our own self-interests as paramount. It’s the application of the trader principle.
Lastly, his counter-punch mindset and approach is completely in line with our moral rightness of retaliation. He may prod or poke, but does not pull the proverbial trigger until he’s attacked, either with words or actions.
There is a dire threat that’s facing our country today with the abuses and power of the ingrained bureaucracy utilized for political purposes. It's imperative that all Americans unite, led by the voices of reason to identify and expose this fundamental threat to freedom. It's not about the false alternative of Trump or never Trump, it's about the American system and the fundamental role, purpose and responsibilities of government, regardless ones political persuasion.
As Objectivists, we need to continually apply our principles in the real world of what is, slowly moving it to where it should be. We need to descend from the “ivory tower” to the first floor of reality. Trump may not be able to articulate the principles, but are not what’s mentioned above consistent with our most basic and fundamental beliefs as Objectivists?
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That wouldn't take much, partly because of his inability to be an articulate intellectual spokesman for himself, partly because the Republican leaders can't either, and partly because of the unprecedented sustained attacks on him from the establishment intellectuals, including almost the entire media.
She had it right when she said that we can properly forge political alliances with different kinds of people on specific issues, which some of us do and which is not Pragmatism, but not in a form of compromising principles or else you give them away.
If she had endorsed the Libertarian Party despite her evaluation of it and the libertarians at the time she would have destroyed her own intellectual reputation and the meaning of her ideas while accomplishing nothing (which they have confirmed over and over).
The same is true today, as especially illustrated by the intellectually unserious nature of the Party leaders and their choice of the Johnson-Weld clown team to speak for the so-called "party of principle" in order to get "big names". Pragmatism does not 'work'.
Some Republican presidents are not much better than Democrats, if at all, but there have been differences even while government becomes larger and more powerful overall under all of them. Republican Bush-1 was closer to Clinton than Reagan, but can you imagine what it would have been like under Gore instead of Bush-2?
What one can aim at with voting today is what we have to live under for the next few years at a time while the statist and cultural trends continue downward. There is a zig-zag pattern superimposed on a net downward slide. The zig-zag reflects temporary backlashes in some areas that rarely result in any major reform but at least reduce some problems we have to face on a daily basis. Electing ideological Democrat presidents precludes even that.
Better to have a relatively more prosperous private economy under a Trump statist than stagnation and worse constantly. But the ideas that Trump caused a better economy -- as opposed to eliminating some punishment on private actions that actually are the economy -- and that he represents some major trend change for the better are myth.
They are opposites.
There's no rolling back any government in the foresee-able future.
Unless you know something I don't.
What are you disagreeing with exactly?
The nihilism isn't coming from the obsolete minority of people you describe; it's those who found some political attraction to Atlas Shrugged but who have little interest in or knowledge of her ideas that made it possible. But yes they are obviously displaying psychological problems, resentment, and anger issues.
The forum encourages 'voting' by rational assessment, not blanket voting to intimidate out of emotional resentment. Thoritsu's personal attacks should have been stopped by the moderator long ago as contrary to the guidelines and purpose of the forum. 'Votes' do not do that. All of his personal attacks are still there for anyone to see.
It's Thoritsu who thinks in terms of gang voting and conspiracy (a practice also contrary to the forum guidelines): "some group can stop the cowardly wholesale downvoting to hide discussions anytime" and "Read this quickly, because cowards will obscure it as soon as the lights go off."
So, like I said several days ago:
Undermining Trump is self-defeating and non-Objectivist, unless you are retarded and think The democratic candidate better supports freedom or your own objectives.
God (lower case, except for beginning a sentence) knows why this was a difficult conclusion to establish in the first round of comments to this post.
Further, in the opportunity cost wasted on this massive pile of disinformation, we could have swayed several other young people to really think. Stupid!
If everyone concluded that his vote "doesn't count" because it is only one of them, and didn't vote because of it, then there would be no election and we would have a much worse dictatorship.
(Living in the here and now isn't the problem, it's required to exist!)
I am not an Objectivist. I am also slightly pragmatic.
A nation divided against itself cannot stand. - Abraham Lincoln quoting Sam Houston
In the realm of elections in particular, regardless of what is on the ballot it doesn't require us to be unprincipled in order to be practical. A proper election process does not mean at least one candidate on the ballot must embrace all that anyone prefers. We make choices from among the alternatives or don't vote -- our voting for a candidate less dangerous to us does not mean we are acting against our principles; it's how in self defense we deal on principle with the political context we are in.
There are all kinds of principles being violated, but a finite ballot choice does not mean we are immorally reduced to an unprincipled "practicality"; the principles are violated by the perpetrators and our principles include self defense.
If in your hypothetical example there is a choice between a socialist and an ex felon who personally cheats but claims to support reducing government, then you'd better determine if the felon can be trusted at all before deciding on a vote!
You may decide you can't find a significant difference between different kinds of evil and therefore not vote for either.
Or you may decide to risk the ex-felon. If you vote for him you are not endorsing his character and his crimes, and you don't have to like them to vote; the votes only decide who will be power and that is all you vote on.
You can only make moral choices within what is possible. That's no bad reflection on your principled actions and integrity.
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