Trump and Ojectivism
Posted by Tavolino 5 years, 8 months ago to Government
Trump and Objectivism
I’m puzzled by the formal Objectivist movement (ARI, TOS) and their complete disdain for President Trump. From the beginning they have never missed a chance not only to distance themselves, but also follow with a pompous negative certainty, without having the necessary relevant facts. Ironic, considering our foundations are based on proper identification (metaphysics) and validation (epistemology) before passing judgment or taking action (ethics). While I agree principles should never be compromised, context and perspective need to be objectively evaluated and applied, rather than a blind intrinsic repetition. Regarding Trump, there some broad hierarchal recognitions that I believe are very consonant with our philosophy.
Our fundamental basis is metaphysics, which is the proper identification of the nature of something. More than any past politician, however brash, Trump calls it like he sees it within his known knowledge. Be it the emotional motivations of political correctness, the lies of the “fake news,” the imbedded corruption, the recognition of the good and bad on the world stage (Israel, China, North Korea, Iran), the parasitical nations that feed off our teat, etc., etc.. The transparency of his thoughts have been unmatched and not hidden behind political speak, spins, alternate agendas, backroom deals or deceit. It is what it is.
As Dr. Jerome Huyler noted, “Trump has the sense of life of an individualist. His common sense - born of decades of experience as a businessman and dealing with politicians - tells him that taxes and heavy-handed regulations destroy economies. It is true, as Rand said that common sense is the child's method of thinking. But it is born of empirical experience,” the basis of knowledge acquisition.
His “America First” mantra should be championed by us. Rand had always said America will never regain its greatness until it changes its altruist morality. America First is just that. It’s not some blind German nationalism, but an attitude that America’s interests need to be selfishly upheld. This is a necessary fundamental to our ethics. He has attempted to keep open discussions with all, based around trade and fair exchange. Rand had said, “The trader and the warrior have been fundamental antagonist throughout history.” His movement away from aggressive wars, political globalism and multi-lateral agreements keep our own self-interests as paramount. It’s the application of the trader principle.
Lastly, his counter-punch mindset and approach is completely in line with our moral rightness of retaliation. He may prod or poke, but does not pull the proverbial trigger until he’s attacked, either with words or actions.
There is a dire threat that’s facing our country today with the abuses and power of the ingrained bureaucracy utilized for political purposes. It's imperative that all Americans unite, led by the voices of reason to identify and expose this fundamental threat to freedom. It's not about the false alternative of Trump or never Trump, it's about the American system and the fundamental role, purpose and responsibilities of government, regardless ones political persuasion.
As Objectivists, we need to continually apply our principles in the real world of what is, slowly moving it to where it should be. We need to descend from the “ivory tower” to the first floor of reality. Trump may not be able to articulate the principles, but are not what’s mentioned above consistent with our most basic and fundamental beliefs as Objectivists?
I’m puzzled by the formal Objectivist movement (ARI, TOS) and their complete disdain for President Trump. From the beginning they have never missed a chance not only to distance themselves, but also follow with a pompous negative certainty, without having the necessary relevant facts. Ironic, considering our foundations are based on proper identification (metaphysics) and validation (epistemology) before passing judgment or taking action (ethics). While I agree principles should never be compromised, context and perspective need to be objectively evaluated and applied, rather than a blind intrinsic repetition. Regarding Trump, there some broad hierarchal recognitions that I believe are very consonant with our philosophy.
Our fundamental basis is metaphysics, which is the proper identification of the nature of something. More than any past politician, however brash, Trump calls it like he sees it within his known knowledge. Be it the emotional motivations of political correctness, the lies of the “fake news,” the imbedded corruption, the recognition of the good and bad on the world stage (Israel, China, North Korea, Iran), the parasitical nations that feed off our teat, etc., etc.. The transparency of his thoughts have been unmatched and not hidden behind political speak, spins, alternate agendas, backroom deals or deceit. It is what it is.
As Dr. Jerome Huyler noted, “Trump has the sense of life of an individualist. His common sense - born of decades of experience as a businessman and dealing with politicians - tells him that taxes and heavy-handed regulations destroy economies. It is true, as Rand said that common sense is the child's method of thinking. But it is born of empirical experience,” the basis of knowledge acquisition.
His “America First” mantra should be championed by us. Rand had always said America will never regain its greatness until it changes its altruist morality. America First is just that. It’s not some blind German nationalism, but an attitude that America’s interests need to be selfishly upheld. This is a necessary fundamental to our ethics. He has attempted to keep open discussions with all, based around trade and fair exchange. Rand had said, “The trader and the warrior have been fundamental antagonist throughout history.” His movement away from aggressive wars, political globalism and multi-lateral agreements keep our own self-interests as paramount. It’s the application of the trader principle.
Lastly, his counter-punch mindset and approach is completely in line with our moral rightness of retaliation. He may prod or poke, but does not pull the proverbial trigger until he’s attacked, either with words or actions.
There is a dire threat that’s facing our country today with the abuses and power of the ingrained bureaucracy utilized for political purposes. It's imperative that all Americans unite, led by the voices of reason to identify and expose this fundamental threat to freedom. It's not about the false alternative of Trump or never Trump, it's about the American system and the fundamental role, purpose and responsibilities of government, regardless ones political persuasion.
As Objectivists, we need to continually apply our principles in the real world of what is, slowly moving it to where it should be. We need to descend from the “ivory tower” to the first floor of reality. Trump may not be able to articulate the principles, but are not what’s mentioned above consistent with our most basic and fundamental beliefs as Objectivists?
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The problem is a complete lack of understanding of political theory, leaving us with no viable options to vote for.
Not to mention an altruist culture that rejects Objectivist values thanks to two thousand years of Christian damage.
Try again.
Point by point:
1. Tax cuts - are not real because government spending has exploded. This means that the gov will still be collecting this money either through printing or borrowing. Without a cut in government spending first, you can't have tax cuts.
2. Constitutional judges - are not a thing. No one on the SC understands anything about the constitution today, nor are there any such candidates. Kavanaugh is a massive leftist responsible for implementing unconstitutional spying programs. Gorsuch is not as bad, but still nothing indicates he is a "constitutional judge."
3. Rollback of regulations - nothing has been rolled back. There has not been a single bill deregulating anything. I think there's confusion between some of Trumps appointees fiddling around the margins and "deregulation."
4. Repeal of Obamacare - Trump was not able to repeal Obamacare. No such bill has been passed. The fact that Obamacare might a death anyway, just because the checks and balances the Founders first put in place are still somewhat functional, is not something Trump gets any credit for.
5 Withdraw from climate change accord - so? It's not like he's passed any bills removing any green bureaucracy's or anything. This is more fiddling around the margins.
And then there's the massive INCREASE in regulations from the Trump administration, in areas of immigration, trade and the assault on tech companies.
I think I said it another thread but when it comes to Trump so many people are just in fantasy lala land, instead of observing what is ACTUALLY going on.
You're too invested in Trump, which is generally a sign of weak/non-existent principles or ideas, or ability to think for yourself.
So Trump IS a complete collectivist.
Objectivists should be opposed to this appalling, leftist administration.
Based on what?
It is conceivable that in a few years they will be on every campus, recruiting entering freshman, and numbering in the tens of millions!
Perhaps not Objectivists but they are affiliated with the Atlas Society so they are encouraged to read Rand. They are affiliated with virtually every pro free market organization. I have met them, they are intelligent, value liberty, are motivated to grow the movement, know they are part of a growing organization which is not top down but driven by the members. I had wished this would happen when Objectivists got started but never organized and not active in the colleges as these groups are.
Enables me to sleep better at night!
Trump was interviewed by Leslie Stahl of 60 minutes after winning the election and before being sworn in. He was asked about some of the promises he had made in his campaign speeches: Would he get rid of the ACA (Obamacare)? Reply; No, there were some good parts in it worth keeping at the most he might replace it (rename it and give the people the same thing). Would he build a wall across the entire southern border? Reply; No, a fence would probably be good enough in some locations. Would he prosecute the Clintons? Reply; No, they were really good people after all.
It is often pointed out that he is not a professional politician and therefore a straight talker. He is a self serving politician who will say what he thinks people want to hear so they vote for him. He is no less a socialist (but pretends not to be) than Barrack Obama was concerned with stopping the war on terrorism, which he promised he would do and never did. There is no compromise to be made with Objectivist ideals that will not lead to socialism and destroy individuals. Moving a little to the 'right' will not awaken the majority of people, it will only entertain them while they are being deceived and destroyed. If Trump is 'playing 3D chess' as some claim it is being played against those he deceived.
We need to move some manufacturing back to the US. It is not far from cost parity in many cases, and we are on an unsustainable trajectory.
If one looks at the history of china, one sees a very warlike society for thousands of years that has taken over territory after territory whenever it gets the slightest bit powerful. They ARE the enemy, and we need to stop trading with them
China is the enemy. Russia lacks any real economic power, and ISIS is a nagging mosquito. China is waging war with the US right now. We just don't recognize it.
Yes, Trump calls it like he sees it; but without objectivity, reason or truth.
He is a complete pragmatist without principles (not simply failing to “articulate the principles”. He is an altruist, not an individualist with self-esteem and who defends individual rights. In summary, he is not a moral man.
Politically he is mixed but mostly wrong.
Yes, he has reduced some regulations, some taxes (but certainly not for all), etc.
Yes, he nominated 2 conservatives to the Supreme Court; but that is not necessarily good from an Obj. perspective.
His foreign policy is badly mixed.
Yes, he is pro-Israel, reduced aid to foreign countries, etc.
But his misguided dealings with foreign leaders as in N. Korea and China are pathetic. It is very immoral to talk of their leaders as great persons who care for their people.
His trade policies are equally pathetic. Tariffs are never a good idea; a trade deficit is not overall bad for our economy but retaliatory tariffs imposed on other countries are.
There is no such thing as “fair” trade.
Being a Nationalist is racist and altruistic. Protecting America’s interests is not the same as acting inappropriately against other countries in order to achieve our ends. When our country has bad policies that hurt our economy, patriotism becomes blind.
He has never proposed rational immigration reform (regardless of whether or not Congress would have accepted it). Whether or not he is a true racist himself, his irrational rhetoric suggests racism against many immigrants.
Given all that, can he possibly be better than a Joe Biden or Elizabeth Warren?
That’s a tough question; but it is irrelevant in this context. Objectivists criticize Trump for who he is and what he says/does, not for how he stacks up to other statists.
While we're at it...Obama drew everybody together, across racial barriers. Or...Bill Clinton remained true to his wife. George W could fly when he flapped his arms fast enough. Let's really get off in the weeds here...
However, after two years of "promises kept" and real results, I kind of wish we could have an additional 8 years of him. His statistics are simply marvelous and I seriously doubt there is anyone like him to follow.
1. Tax cuts
2. Constitutionalist judges
3. Rollback of regulations
4. Repeal of Obamacare opt-out "tax"
5. Withdraw from "climate change accord"
Yep, "complete collectivist" for sure!
(For further details, compare to Hillary.)
After that all I hear (read) sounds like Charlie Brown's teacher.
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