The REAL gay marriage issue

Posted by LeoRizzuti 12 years, 3 months ago to Culture
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Libertarians need to clarify their stance on gay marriage to be more consistent with their other stances. It is not that Libertarians should be for government sanctioning of gay marriage, but that government should have no say so in who marries whom. It is a private contract between two individuals and should be seen as such. Of course, if you go back to the militant gay marriage proponents with that they will not support it, because to them it is not really about being free to marry whomever you would like, but to be able to derive government benefits from your relationship. Not a Libertarian ideal at all.

I support the idea of homosexual people (or any other people for that matter) being free to marry whomever they want. Why should I care as long as their choices do not affect me? But that is the whole point, it should NOT AFFECT ME. Marriage should not be an avenue to gaining more government benefits, or else it becomes something that the taxpayers should have a voice in. If you truly want the freedom to marry whomever you want, then fight to get the government out if the whole thing. Otherwise you appear to simply be looking for another way to suck on the government teat.


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  • Posted by khalling 12 years, 3 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I disagree on the Constitution. I am with you on certain amendments.
    Fredick Douglas on point 1857:
    "It may, however, be asked, if the Constitution were so framed that the rights of all the people were naturally protected by it, how happens it that a large part of the people have been held in slavery ever since its adoption? Have the people mistaken the requirements of their own Constitution?

    The answer is ready. The Constitution is one thing, its administration is another, and, in this instance, a very different and opposite thing. I am here to vindicate the law, not the administration of the law. It is the written Constitution, not the unwritten Constitution, that is now before us. If, in the whole range of the Constitution, you can find no warrant for slavery, then we may properly claim it for liberty.

    Good and wholesome laws are often found dead on the statute book. We may condemn the practice under them and against them, but never the law itself. To condemn the good law with the wicked practice, is to weaken, not to strengthen our testimony."
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    Posted by ghargis 12 years, 3 months ago in reply to this comment.
    jmiesniewski thank you for being a voice of reason in the midst of this god awful ignorant circle jerk.
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    Posted by ghargis 12 years, 3 months ago in reply to this comment.
    The Constitution is a working document that has been changed and added consistently throughout it's history. It is not infallible. May I remind you that when it was first written, it explicitly stated that our "free" country's population of SLAVES were to be counted as 3/5ths of a person. That is most definitely wrong!
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  • Posted by Tuner38 12 years, 3 months ago
    Let it not be forgotten that marriage for benefits sake can be faked and probably would be.
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  • Posted by no1laserjock 12 years, 3 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Hang in there! I am fighting the same thing here:
    with the self-appointed guardians of the status quo.

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  • Posted by no1laserjock 12 years, 3 months ago
    I totally agree with the premise. I am "gay" (I hate the word thanks to the activities and behavior of that "group") and have never wanted or needed a Government Sanction on ANYTHING in my life!

    I am "partnered" and I agree with Mitch, that insisting on using a word (A neurological placeholder to represent an abstraction) that has a traditional meaning is, well -stupid. I know Mitch didn't say that but i know how he feels.

    If I tell you I am partnered and you can tell I am a guy (hopefully) then you can safely assume I am partnered with a guy or vice versa for women.

    For me it would be like changing the meaning of physics or incorporating the concept and equating it to comedy. If someone is talking about physics i want to know they aren't joking. LOL
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  • Posted by UncommonSense 12 years, 3 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Then you should know the commies are running the place. Ok, they aren't exactly "running" it, but rather, driving the country into the ground. Lenin would be proud. The Cold War may have officially ended, but both Russia and China never stopped spying on us.
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  • Posted by $ jmlesniewski 12 years, 3 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I know who Saul Alinsky was. I'm well aware of who is in charge of the government and how they operate. There is a difference between being selfless/secondhanded and communist.
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  • Posted by $ jmlesniewski 12 years, 3 months ago in reply to this comment.
    So the culture has changed significantly since 1960, except in the ways you say it hasn't? Flawless logic.
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  • Posted by $ jmlesniewski 12 years, 3 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Emotionally based? I don't see how that can be anything but an attempt to undermine my "objectivist credibility" because I don't agree with the prevailing paranoia some people espouse here.
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  • Posted by $ jmlesniewski 12 years, 3 months ago in reply to this comment.
    No. I'm claiming the the world has changed. The Cold War is over. The USSR has fallen. There is no communist infiltration into the US Government and culture and the repeating of it smacks of Red Scare that hasn't been let go of.
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  • Posted by $ jmlesniewski 12 years, 3 months ago in reply to this comment.
    In some ways the Constitution is wrong, yes. We have learned how through the advancement of human knowledge.
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