Judicial Watch: IRS Produces Recovered Lerner Emails

Posted by $ nickursis 9 years, 9 months ago to Government
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Your government in action: The mounds of evidence showing how they were intentionally taking action against specific political groups mounts and mounts, yet there is no actioon by either Justice or Ethics on doing anything substantial but grandstanding. I wonder if this has been part and parcel of every administration, and the employees just change their flags of allegiance to suit the animal in the white house. It seems hard to believe they stacked the IRS with democratic sympathizers in a few short years, because that would mean they dumped a whole bunch of republicrats to make room. Seems sort of weird to be able to find the right people to do your dirty work. More pages from AS....


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  • Posted by $ Thoritsu 9 years, 9 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Come on. If no one had tax exempt status then no one could use this as a tool. Are you going to offer a real reason or not?
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  • Posted by $ jdg 9 years, 9 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Obama may have won at least one, maybe two elections as a result of IRS people letting only one side's political committees have tax-exempt status. I think that's enough of a connection to matter.
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  • Posted by Hiraghm 9 years, 9 months ago in reply to this comment.
    The poor don't need exemption, and they don't need a government payment.
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  • Posted by $ Thoritsu 9 years, 9 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Seem like two separate ideas to me, and I do not see the connection between tax exempt status and freedom of speech. I have freedom of speech, but get taxed extensively.
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  • Posted by $ jdg 9 years, 9 months ago in reply to this comment.
    The idea of exempting food, clothing, shelter, and medicine is to tax only disposable income. The poor would go untouched, without any need for them to register for and receive an annual government payment as is included in the "Fair Tax" proposal.
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  • Posted by $ jdg 9 years, 9 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Because we need them for some of our First Amendment rights to matter. And "the power to tax is the power to destroy."
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  • Posted by Hiraghm 9 years, 9 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I agree except.. no exemptions.
    Any sales tax must be the same percentage for all products of all kinds, with no additional taxes piled on. This will eliminate the ability to use taxation for behavior coercion.
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    Posted by Hiraghm 9 years, 9 months ago in reply to this comment.
    "...they are worse then used car sales people (not slighting used car sales people on purpose, some are really good and nice). "

    OMG.. the amount of political correctness overloaded my sense of tranquility.

    used car... salesMEN. And leave out the caveat about nice car sales living beings; it's a stereotype. It's not supposed to be considerate of people's feelings.
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  • Posted by $ jdg 9 years, 9 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I think this would be simpler:

    Eliminate the income tax entirely, both for individuals and companies. Eliminate all payroll taxes too.
    I'm tempted to say replace them with nothing (we had more than enough government in 1911).
    If we do replace it, institute a simple sales tax, limited in the constitution to 10%, with all food, clothing, shelter, and medicine being exempt.

    Balanced budget amendment -- with teeth. (Meaning outlays are limited to last year's actual receipts, not some estimate of this year's receipts.)

    Eliminating non-profit status is a bad idea. Indeed, all political speech ought to be tax-exempt for the same reason religions are tax-exempt.
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  • Posted by $ jdg 9 years, 9 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Oppenheimer arranged for the atomic bomb secret to be leaked to the Soviets. Pournelle has written about this.
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  • Posted by $ 9 years, 9 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Yep. pretty accurate, I think. Especially the China part, as there is signifigant evidence they were all over the world at one point, the Emperors 1,000 ship fleet seemed to touch every shore. Lots of artifacts now being discovered in the Northwest, indicating they were trading with the Natives back to the 1100-1500 period. I am waiting for them to uncover a Native American artifact in China and prove it. But that is indeed the problem with any "cuts". The aerospace industry went through all that in the 70's and 80's. And when the lobbyists come calling, magic funding appears for whatever group was being chopped and it gets renamed, reordered and beefed up.
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  • Posted by DrZarkov99 9 years, 9 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Congress can't legislate Federal hiring practices easily, as both Democrat and Republican representatives have discovered. Unions and lobbyists unashamedly threaten withdrawal of support, and activist media set out to destroy a politician who attempts to make "radical" changes.

    Dan Goldin, who had popular support from both Democrat and Republican sides of Congress as the new NASA administrator who could put new spirit back into that agency, failed. His failure wasn't because of lack of ability or leadership, but because that agency had built unassailable support for the numerous fiefdoms (Houston, Huntsville, e.g.) in the NASA kingdom. All the entrenched mandarins had to do was scream to local media about how Goldin was going to destroy jobs in their area, and the Representatives and Senators of those municipalities/states put up barriers to all of his proposals to streamline the agency.

    Historians tell us that one of the biggest mistakes China made was to cease its world exploration in the 15th century and withdraw, isolating itself at a point when it was a superpower. The mandarins, China's bureaucratic administrative "shadow kingdom", caused that grievous error, and the U.S. is becoming a victim of that same kind of creation.
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  • Posted by $ 9 years, 9 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I agree with your statement, My experience is they do not care, I had a specific case of fraud and perjury in a bankruptcy falsely filed to protect themselves from a judgement, and the Federal prosecutor said "it's only one creditor" (because they didn't bother to list the other 10 or so), and when I asked him "since you have defined small perjury, what constitutes big perjury, where you will enforce the law?" he hung up. Your tax-dollars at work, selective enforcement of laws that are basically useless for honest ruling of a society and are only implemented for political gain. That is just one small example. The IRS thing shows how a whole segment can be hijacked for the looters use when desired. Bad for us, good for them.
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  • Posted by $ 9 years, 9 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Indeed, however, I think there are similar examples going back much further. Roosevelt had his own methods of dealing with those he found impeding his programs, his VP of 1944 was tossed aside for Truman. Madison and Jefferson both had their own battles with opposite philosophy's and the New England states actually supported the British, or at least tried to strangle the union financially to support their own aims. The growth of the bureaucracy starting in the 30's led to the whole "government worker" caste that seems to now be able to switch hats a a moments notice and apply the leaderships retribution on the losers. In all cases, it is force inflicted on individuals by a government entity.
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  • Posted by $ 9 years, 9 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Amazing that an organization can change it's stripes based on which way the stink blows. Also it illustrates a basic lack of honor and ethics, which I realize is not a job requirement in any government.
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  • Posted by johnpe1 9 years, 9 months ago in reply to this comment.
    DOE governed us, at the manhattan project site y12, and when
    the election was over, the whole organization rapidly aligned
    with the new regime. . change out the head few and the rest conform.
    that's my experience. . political appointees at the top control it all. -- j
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  • Posted by $ 9 years, 9 months ago in reply to this comment.
    But still, it is a wonder they would go after a specific group, unless somehow the Dems changed out the management, which is amazing given the fact a bureaucrat lifespan is about a million years...
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