I checked out the other European countries who had done the same thing. They didn't call it reject or eject just re-patriation. Since they couldn't really move them over the border most provided one way tickets back to where ever. Apparently they were listed as some kind of Bracero Green Card workers except perhaps for France.
What it seemed to boil down to in essence is they don't want them but don't want to pay the cost of repatriating them back to ....
Seems like they are still behind the rest of Europe which leaves a sort of open untreated sore.
Someone forgot to tell them they could subtract the costs by adding them to border duty of imported goods or subtract from any foreign aid. Mmmmmmmm wait a minute. Does France give any other country foreign aid?
Found no evidence of that.
they are good on sort of funny ha ha war memorials though. Most commemorating losses. Something we started learning how to do ourselves in the last century.
It's worse than that, it's not only a control of the borders issue, they were letting them immigrate in numbers that pretty much make up around 15% to 20% of their population now.
France, like Japan, has a real problem with procreation... just not enough kids being born, so they were taking in waves of immigration to back-fill the workers retiring. Japan doesn't do that, they are just suffering through a lack of workforce (that is destroying their economy).
Down south the call it tar jay and make a big deal out of being foreign owned. Seriously. I got it straight from Target. Should have looked a bit deeper.
So they have lost control of their country? Time to bring in the Legions. Or is that the face of the future? The error seems simple. Control your borders and let the center take care of itself. Don't control your borders you are no longer a country which also seems a fair appraisal of not only France but the USA both hiding in the back rooms.
Not sure where you were going with that? Target is not a French company, it's owned by Dayton Hudson Corporation (also owns Daytons and a string of other stuff) and is based in Minneapolis.
For the most part, the French have as bad of immigration problems as we do, they have let in waves of Muslims to the point that it stifles their politics... overtly support the US on an action in the Middle East and they burn Paris to the ground. I don't think that in back rooms they have ever wavered in their support of us, but their situation is like an American politician speaking openly about illegal immigration or gay marriage - suddenly the militants are fire-bombing their home, their business, and publicly humiliating them.
I could go into a whole dissertation about prejudice, suppression, the promise of socialism, and tradition, but I won't. Let's just say that as a group, with all their sophistication and accomplishments, politically they are still at the turn of the last century.
i may have said this before. My uncle spent 40 years in the Central African Republic AKA Empire. He was both a missionary and a dental surgeon. The medical facility serviced an area with a number of villages. He went back recently as his group had completed both their first written language and translated the Bible and a number of other useful volumes. No one there. The surrounding villages were all dead. Two reasons. Tribal conflicts and AIDs. The few left were living and working at the main HQ for the missions in the capitol. this in a country where the top dog leader spent the entire national treasury on his coronation to Emperor and then was miffed because the Queen of England failed to attend.
What to say?
It's Africa is the common answer. They really know how to shrug on that continent.
it all depends on who is in the oval. Kosovo with very little in evidence and a lot of waffling before the term genocide came up. Iraq with mass graves. It's like Orwells pigs. Some peoples ragheads are more equal than other peoples ragheads. In the service we don't get to choose which group grabs the brass ring . Above our pay grade. For that you have to see the man, or ask the voters what the hell?? Another reason to get rid of the draft and I mean get rid of it not just hide it away until another slick willie wonka decides to employ it. Enlist or Not enlist is one of the greatest ways to cast a ballot in existence along with regular voting and voting for or against some law from the jury box. But the Balkans came after my turn and before the following generations. /We were all about SE Asia and Latin America and a bit of Africa. Europe was where you went for a vacation at that point in time.
Now that's a different breed of French. They aren't except for the Commissioned Officers. Met them in Tahiti Nui French Polynesia. Also commendable are a unit of the French Naval Infantry - basically Marines. They wear the Cross of Lorraine as their unit insignia. Only ones to go ashore in the first wave on D Day. Good troops. Always exceptions. Victor Hugo and some of the other great writers and artists. I do not count de Gaulle in that select group.
I recall a union meeting in our union school actually. For the weekend they would provide a bus to the local shopping center. Target (Tar Jay if you are from the south but not not Walmart.) the unions would love to get that contract but would kill the golden goose in the process. So I asked why Target if you don't want to go to the other place. After all this country is officially at war they chose the other side. It's a French owned company. I myself after twenty plus years in the combat arms would feel like a traitor walking into an enemy establishment. It got real quiet. the bus later took us to another shopping center. it was however roughly the same distance to Walmart. I took a cab back. i should add the youngest son of the Walton Family now deceased was a Sergeant in US Army Special Forces. Ultralite crash I think it was. Takes all kinds
no reference to being a fan of them, only stating that our ties run deep. They did, after all, provide us weapons against the British during the Revolutionary War. For the most part, they have been fair-weather friends since.
You would be surprised though, ran into the French Foreign Legion in a lot of unlikely places overseas.
It always boggled my mind (still does) how so many Jews still support him in view of his obvious prejudice. Can understand the Blacks' adoration, having something in common with him, but the Jews? Guess image is all, and character meaningless. Too bad...too sad
You were doing fine until you said French. They are not our friends. At All. I'm thinking divide that place up and give it Breton and the rest of bordering countries then turn Paris into a museum. i would not countenance squandering US soldiers on that place again. That is post judice not pre judice for those that know the difference.
They did the same thing for the Suez Canal Crisis, plural multiple - in the fifties and sixties. You ought to go through that thing. Looks like a war zone to this day. Complete with monuments dating back to World War One. That being those many years ago it isn't contemporary but it involves the same party.
Better than that which still is ready to take over completely in power production we have this brand spanking new huge mutha oil field in SW Texas and it stretches across into Mexico our distant neighbor.'
So? Do we really need their oil when we're exporting from Alaska and have shut down the anthracite deposits in the western US?
Just as an issue but side issue what is the impact of those new oil fields on imports? Or is it being sold out of the country and turned into out of the country deposits?
That same segment of society that can't afford an old gas car can't afford to buy a new engine for those ruined by ethanol. But it is buying a lot of for sale votes in the midwest and enriching the agri-corps.
Maybe we need a workable energy policy starting with no AF1 fligfhts to dinners in Paris.
Good move. You realize you just divorced yourself from the Republicans and the Democrats. Can't promise there won't be any but as the saying goes if it's worth the effort enough will come forward. If they don't it isn't worth the effort.
America does not need a million people in its military to project power, nor does it need to project power. With a few thousand from each branch of the military, we could achieve whatever objective we wanted to. The rest of the world can be left to their own problems. We have enough problems of our own. In fact, that was the first premise I had to check. I worked with tritium before I read AS, and realized the magnitude of what I was trying to make safe.
I agree they do hate us because we do not practice Islam. We will not change their minds. I have tried numerous times. It has been a waste of breath. Lets the Muslims overrun all nations except the USA, maybe even the US. If it gets to that point, I will have shrugged to my own little paradise.
Sometimes friendship is worth more than time or treasure. Are the Brits "not worth our time or treasure"? We have a deep commitment to them, and deep ties. How about the French? Or any of Europe.
Just because you don't think so, doesn't mean the majority of America doesn't think so... in fact.. you are really in the minority on that.
Either way, you are talking about 1-2% of the budget of the United States at the absolute most. Medicare/Medicaid and Social Security is 71% of the budget... if you are worried about time & treasure, that shit needs to go in the trash can.
Like Ron Paul, I stand for non-interventionism. Isolationism probably is too strong a word. If a country or its citizens affirms Objectivist values, then I will gladly do business with them if they have something of value to offer. Many people from other countries do.
That's where we disagree, your argument seems to be to disengage from around the world while maintaining a million-person military (camped out at bases in the US?). I make the argument that the difference in cost of posting them at overseas locations vs. posted in the continental US is negligible.
We didn't go looking for a fight in Afghanistan, it was likely the most non-US influenced area in the world, the extent of our involvement was selling them the arms they were asking for to fight the Russians with.
Withdrawing our presence around the world doesn't suddenly mean that Russia or China will.. Do we abandon Western Europe to Russian influence?
Do we abandon the fight against ISIS and tell our Israeli and Turkish allies "oh well"? Turkey is a member of NATO... Jordan is also a close ally, and there is that insignificant seaway called the Suez Canal to consider... How about the Saudis? And we don't do those for free... they generally foot all or most of the tab by the way.
As much as I don't like Obama, his tough love strategy with some of these has been fruitful, and it was needed... The Saudis and Egyptians in particular have picked up the fight against ISIS, but the problem and risk is that they just don't have the training and weapons to get the job done before ISIS gets out of control. Maybe they will, maybe they won't... if we led the fight, it would be a certainty, but that drops precipitously with less US involvement. Do you honestly think ISIS would be happy to only rule their little corner of the desert?
The bitches that they have against the US is a long and detailed list... starting with the Crusades. Nevermind the Crusades were retaliation for Muslim and Mongol invasions of Europe in decades prior, but that little tidbit is never discussed.
The point is, the belief that we can sustain the largest economy on the planet (and still not large enough to employ our population), or that despots and religious zealots would just leave us alone if we're nice to them... is completely dream land.. We are very definitely on the buildup to World War III... that is pretty obvious, what's not entirely known is where the alliances and battle fronts will be drawn yet, but the world is polarizing itself very sharply. Selectively reducing tensions by the elimination of despots and hostile nations has proven generally pretty effective in the post-Cold War world, but in many ways, the world is much more dangerous now. 20 years ago, we knew exactly who are enemy was. We could see them on a map, we saw the red star on their naval vessels, and we could chase them out of the skies over Alaska, Canada, and the Western US while our attack subs could find and follow their boomers at sea. That enemy was very lethal, with one of their dozens of subs carrying some 200 nuclear warheads, yet, we somehow kept the peace for almost 50 years.
Now, we can't even pronounce the names of the enemies, let alone find them in their caves very easily. I'd venture to guess that most have never even met an American, but they hate us because we don't pray to Allah or practice Islam.
What it seemed to boil down to in essence is they don't want them but don't want to pay the cost of repatriating them back to ....
Seems like they are still behind the rest of Europe which leaves a sort of open untreated sore.
Someone forgot to tell them they could subtract the costs by adding them to border duty of imported goods or subtract from any foreign aid. Mmmmmmmm wait a minute. Does France give any other country foreign aid?
Found no evidence of that.
they are good on sort of funny ha ha war memorials though. Most commemorating losses. Something we started learning how to do ourselves in the last century.
Yup Tarjay is HQ'd in Minnesota. How about that.
Ufta!
France, like Japan, has a real problem with procreation... just not enough kids being born, so they were taking in waves of immigration to back-fill the workers retiring. Japan doesn't do that, they are just suffering through a lack of workforce (that is destroying their economy).
So they have lost control of their country? Time to bring in the Legions. Or is that the face of the future? The error seems simple. Control your borders and let the center take care of itself. Don't control your borders you are no longer a country which also seems a fair appraisal of not only France but the USA both hiding in the back rooms.
I'll retract the error.
For the most part, the French have as bad of immigration problems as we do, they have let in waves of Muslims to the point that it stifles their politics... overtly support the US on an action in the Middle East and they burn Paris to the ground. I don't think that in back rooms they have ever wavered in their support of us, but their situation is like an American politician speaking openly about illegal immigration or gay marriage - suddenly the militants are fire-bombing their home, their business, and publicly humiliating them.
What to say?
It's Africa is the common answer. They really know how to shrug on that continent.
I recall a union meeting in our union school actually. For the weekend they would provide a bus to the local shopping center. Target (Tar Jay if you are from the south but not not Walmart.) the unions would love to get that contract but would kill the golden goose in the process. So I asked why Target if you don't want to go to the other place. After all this country is officially at war they chose the other side. It's a French owned company. I myself after twenty plus years in the combat arms would feel like a traitor walking into an enemy establishment. It got real quiet. the bus later took us to another shopping center. it was however roughly the same distance to Walmart. I took a cab back. i should add the youngest son of the Walton Family now deceased was a Sergeant in US Army Special Forces. Ultralite crash I think it was. Takes all kinds
You would be surprised though, ran into the French Foreign Legion in a lot of unlikely places overseas.
many Jews still support him in view of his
obvious prejudice. Can understand the Blacks'
adoration, having something in common with
him, but the Jews? Guess image is all, and
character meaningless. Too bad...too sad
So? Do we really need their oil when we're exporting from Alaska and have shut down the anthracite deposits in the western US?
Just as an issue but side issue what is the impact of those new oil fields on imports? Or is it being sold out of the country and turned into out of the country deposits?
That same segment of society that can't afford an old gas car can't afford to buy a new engine for those ruined by ethanol. But it is buying a lot of for sale votes in the midwest and enriching the agri-corps.
Maybe we need a workable energy policy starting with no AF1 fligfhts to dinners in Paris.
I agree they do hate us because we do not practice Islam. We will not change their minds. I have tried numerous times. It has been a waste of breath. Lets the Muslims overrun all nations except the USA, maybe even the US. If it gets to that point, I will have shrugged to my own little paradise.
The Rwandans... 50% yes, 50% were shooting at us.
Just because you don't think so, doesn't mean the majority of America doesn't think so... in fact.. you are really in the minority on that.
Either way, you are talking about 1-2% of the budget of the United States at the absolute most. Medicare/Medicaid and Social Security is 71% of the budget... if you are worried about time & treasure, that shit needs to go in the trash can.
We didn't go looking for a fight in Afghanistan, it was likely the most non-US influenced area in the world, the extent of our involvement was selling them the arms they were asking for to fight the Russians with.
Withdrawing our presence around the world doesn't suddenly mean that Russia or China will.. Do we abandon Western Europe to Russian influence?
Do we abandon the fight against ISIS and tell our Israeli and Turkish allies "oh well"? Turkey is a member of NATO... Jordan is also a close ally, and there is that insignificant seaway called the Suez Canal to consider... How about the Saudis? And we don't do those for free... they generally foot all or most of the tab by the way.
As much as I don't like Obama, his tough love strategy with some of these has been fruitful, and it was needed... The Saudis and Egyptians in particular have picked up the fight against ISIS, but the problem and risk is that they just don't have the training and weapons to get the job done before ISIS gets out of control. Maybe they will, maybe they won't... if we led the fight, it would be a certainty, but that drops precipitously with less US involvement. Do you honestly think ISIS would be happy to only rule their little corner of the desert?
The bitches that they have against the US is a long and detailed list... starting with the Crusades. Nevermind the Crusades were retaliation for Muslim and Mongol invasions of Europe in decades prior, but that little tidbit is never discussed.
The point is, the belief that we can sustain the largest economy on the planet (and still not large enough to employ our population), or that despots and religious zealots would just leave us alone if we're nice to them... is completely dream land.. We are very definitely on the buildup to World War III... that is pretty obvious, what's not entirely known is where the alliances and battle fronts will be drawn yet, but the world is polarizing itself very sharply. Selectively reducing tensions by the elimination of despots and hostile nations has proven generally pretty effective in the post-Cold War world, but in many ways, the world is much more dangerous now. 20 years ago, we knew exactly who are enemy was. We could see them on a map, we saw the red star on their naval vessels, and we could chase them out of the skies over Alaska, Canada, and the Western US while our attack subs could find and follow their boomers at sea. That enemy was very lethal, with one of their dozens of subs carrying some 200 nuclear warheads, yet, we somehow kept the peace for almost 50 years.
Now, we can't even pronounce the names of the enemies, let alone find them in their caves very easily. I'd venture to guess that most have never even met an American, but they hate us because we don't pray to Allah or practice Islam.
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